I disagree.
"Now" is a duration, not an instant.
I disagree.
I think it matters from a worldview that EVERYONE on this planet, pretty much have been warned - that GOD may exist.
Nature is a serial killer, a killer on mass with no regard, respect or intention of dishing out some special dispensationattofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:46 amI think it matters from a worldview that EVERYONE on this planet, pretty much have been warned - that GOD may exist.
I think it matters that if GOD does exist, that souls exist and thus what may happen in future time based on each human decision, especially where they act in an evil manner, will have consequences beyond mere human just_ice. (in time)
That should be a concern for all.
I wrote this,attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:46 amI think it matters from a worldview that EVERYONE on this planet, pretty much have been warned - that GOD may exist.
I think it matters that if GOD does exist, that souls exist and thus what may happen in future time based on each human decision, especially where they act in an evil manner, will have consequences beyond mere human just_ice. (in time)
That should be a concern for all.
But.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:21 amI wrote this,attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:46 amI think it matters from a worldview that EVERYONE on this planet, pretty much have been warned - that GOD may exist.
I think it matters that if GOD does exist, that souls exist and thus what may happen in future time based on each human decision, especially where they act in an evil manner, will have consequences beyond mere human just_ice. (in time)
That should be a concern for all.
Theism within non-Islam is not a big issue.
The extreme with theism is that extremist Islamists could exterminate the human species with cheap easily available WMDs as an imperative duty from being contractually bound to commands of their God in the holy texts.
For these extreme Islamists it is a lose-WIN situation, i.e. they lose their physical life [worthless to them] but win with a guarantee of external life and 72 virgins in paradise as promised by their God.
As such if we were to wean off theism in the future [not possible now], there there is no possibility of the human species being exterminated by extremist theistic Islamists.
With non-theism it is unlikely for them to exterminate the human species via WMDs due to Mutual Assured Destruction [MAD].
I had stated, human beings are inherently evil, but there had been great improvements in the reduction of significant evils and lesser evils since 10,000 years ago up to the present.
I am proposing in the Ethical Theory section it is very possible and how the human species can expedite exponential improvements moral progress in the future [not now] without any reference to God at all but based on a human-based moral framework and system.
You need to the full context of my intentions with the stipulated contexts within the OP, i.e. which is toward the future.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:40 amBut.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:21 amI wrote this,attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:46 am
I think it matters from a worldview that EVERYONE on this planet, pretty much have been warned - that GOD may exist.
I think it matters that if GOD does exist, that souls exist and thus what may happen in future time based on each human decision, especially where they act in an evil manner, will have consequences beyond mere human just_ice. (in time)
That should be a concern for all.
Theism within non-Islam is not a big issue.
The extreme with theism is that extremist Islamists could exterminate the human species with cheap easily available WMDs as an imperative duty from being contractually bound to commands of their God in the holy texts.
For these extreme Islamists it is a lose-WIN situation, i.e. they lose their physical life [worthless to them] but win with a guarantee of external life and 72 virgins in paradise as promised by their God.
As such if we were to wean off theism in the future [not possible now], there there is no possibility of the human species being exterminated by extremist theistic Islamists.
With non-theism it is unlikely for them to exterminate the human species via WMDs due to Mutual Assured Destruction [MAD].
I had stated, human beings are inherently evil, but there had been great improvements in the reduction of significant evils and lesser evils since 10,000 years ago up to the present.
I am proposing in the Ethical Theory section it is very possible and how the human species can expedite exponential improvements moral progress in the future [not now] without any reference to God at all but based on a human-based moral framework and system.
Your question is "Does it matter whether God exists or not?"
You are confusing the concept of the existence of God (theism) and what results, with there actually being a God in existence (thread title) - where there are NO apparent differences within reality binarily as to whether God exists or not (*until after death apparently, IF it exists).
So.
No IT DOESNT MATTER whether God does exist or not. Since, while alive on Earth nobody (apart from my sort) have anything happening to them as a result of God actually existing. (or at least, are not aware their life has some karmic stuff from God affecting their lives).
Is English a second language?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:23 amYou need to the full context of my intentions with the stipulated contexts within the OP, i.e. which is toward the future.attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:40 amBut.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:21 am
I wrote this,
Theism within non-Islam is not a big issue.
The extreme with theism is that extremist Islamists could exterminate the human species with cheap easily available WMDs as an imperative duty from being contractually bound to commands of their God in the holy texts.
For these extreme Islamists it is a lose-WIN situation, i.e. they lose their physical life [worthless to them] but win with a guarantee of external life and 72 virgins in paradise as promised by their God.
As such if we were to wean off theism in the future [not possible now], there there is no possibility of the human species being exterminated by extremist theistic Islamists.
With non-theism it is unlikely for them to exterminate the human species via WMDs due to Mutual Assured Destruction [MAD].
I had stated, human beings are inherently evil, but there had been great improvements in the reduction of significant evils and lesser evils since 10,000 years ago up to the present.
I am proposing in the Ethical Theory section it is very possible and how the human species can expedite exponential improvements moral progress in the future [not now] without any reference to God at all but based on a human-based moral framework and system.
Your question is "Does it matter whether God exists or not?"
You are confusing the concept of the existence of God (theism) and what results, with there actually being a God in existence (thread title) - where there are NO apparent differences within reality binarily as to whether God exists or not (*until after death apparently, IF it exists).
So.
No IT DOESNT MATTER whether God does exist or not. Since, while alive on Earth nobody (apart from my sort) have anything happening to them as a result of God actually existing. (or at least, are not aware their life has some karmic stuff from God affecting their lives).
I agree, at present it matter whether God exists or not does matter to the majority of humans. Without a belief of God at present, theists will be paralyzed as driven by the very painful cognitive dissonances emerging from an existential crisis.
But in the future when humanity is able to enable alternative non-theistic practices and methods [to replace theism fully] to deal with the inherent unavoidable very painful cognitive dissonances emerging from an existential crisis, then whether God exist or not, does not matter; that is because God in the first place is not a matter-of-fact that matters.
Whether or not God exists is wholly dependent on what conception of God. As an example, from what I gather, for Gandhi God is truth or rather truth is God.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:10 am Does It Matter Whether God Exists or Not?
The extreme with theism is that extremists Islamists could exterminate the human species with cheap easily available WMDs being contractually bound to commands of their God in the holy texts.
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My principle is;ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:46 pmWhether or not God exists is wholly dependent on what conception of God. As an example, from what I gather, for Gandhi God is truth or rather truth is God.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:10 am Does It Matter Whether God Exists or Not?
The extreme with theism is that extremists Islamists could exterminate the human species with cheap easily available WMDs being contractually bound to commands of their God in the holy texts.
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A Christian or Muslim is one who had entered into a Contract[covenant] with God.Why single out Islamic extremists and not Christian extremists for example? If you think that Christian extremists are less a threat to the human species, you're kidding yourself.
Clearly you don't understand the first thing about Christianity re: "...the overriding term of the Divine Contract, is all Christians must love all and even enemies, give the other cheek, and the like." and everything else that follows for that matter. As a matter of curiosity, where'd you get those ideas?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:16 amMy principle is;ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:46 pmWhether or not God exists is wholly dependent on what conception of God. As an example, from what I gather, for Gandhi God is truth or rather truth is God.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:10 am Does It Matter Whether God Exists or Not?
The extreme with theism is that extremists Islamists could exterminate the human species with cheap easily available WMDs being contractually bound to commands of their God in the holy texts.
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1. Reality, facts, truths, knowledge and objectivity are conditioned upon a specific human based Framework and System of Reality [FSR] and Knowledge [FSK], thus cannot be independent from humans [mind and body]. see;
What is a Framework and System of Knowledge?
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31889
2. As such, truth is not independent from humans.
3. God is independent from humans.
4. Therefore God cannot be truth.
A Christian or Muslim is one who had entered into a Contract[covenant] with God.Why single out Islamic extremists and not Christian extremists for example? If you think that Christian extremists are less a threat to the human species, you're kidding yourself.
The terms of contract for the Christian is in the Gospels [not whole Bible] while for the Muslim is the Quran.
For the Christian, the overriding term of the Divine Contract, is all Christians must love all and even enemies, give the other cheek, and the like.
As such, no Christians are to kill humans or else they have sinned per the contractual term.
In situation of just wars or other aggressions by Christian, they are doing those negatives on the own personal will out of necessity or due to some evil.
In this case, they have sinned.
But those who commit aggressions out of necessity to protect the religion, had sinned but they are likely to be forgiven by God. Those who commit sins without good reasons will be punished accordingly.
So, am I kidding?
No, rather you are ignorant of reality and what is really going on around the world.
Don't be that arrogant, you maybe the one who is ignorant of what Christianity means.ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 10:26 pmClearly you don't understand the first thing about Christianity re: "...the overriding term of the Divine Contract, is all Christians must love all and even enemies, give the other cheek, and the like." and everything else that follows for that matter. As a matter of curiosity, where'd you get those ideas?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 09, 2023 3:16 amMy principle is;ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 2:46 pm
Whether or not God exists is wholly dependent on what conception of God. As an example, from what I gather, for Gandhi God is truth or rather truth is God.
1. Reality, facts, truths, knowledge and objectivity are conditioned upon a specific human based Framework and System of Reality [FSR] and Knowledge [FSK], thus cannot be independent from humans [mind and body]. see;
What is a Framework and System of Knowledge?
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31889
2. As such, truth is not independent from humans.
3. God is independent from humans.
4. Therefore God cannot be truth.
A Christian or Muslim is one who had entered into a Contract[covenant] with God.Why single out Islamic extremists and not Christian extremists for example? If you think that Christian extremists are less a threat to the human species, you're kidding yourself.
The terms of contract for the Christian is in the Gospels [not whole Bible] while for the Muslim is the Quran.
For the Christian, the overriding term of the Divine Contract, is all Christians must love all and even enemies, give the other cheek, and the like.
As such, no Christians are to kill humans or else they have sinned per the contractual term.
In situation of just wars or other aggressions by Christian, they are doing those negatives on the own personal will out of necessity or due to some evil.
In this case, they have sinned.
But those who commit aggressions out of necessity to protect the religion, had sinned but they are likely to be forgiven by God. Those who commit sins without good reasons will be punished accordingly.
So, am I kidding?
No, rather you are ignorant of reality and what is really going on around the world.
Rather you are in ignorance condoning potential genocide and the extermination of the human species?As to your rant on Islam, evidently you fully embrace demagoguery.
The right question is whether people believe in God or not.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:10 am Does It Matter Whether God Exists or Not?
Humanity has progressed tremendously so far, especially based on non-theistic science and other fields of knowledge without any reliance on whether God exists or not.
It is often claimed what without God there is no morality.
But note one of the greatest moral improvement is the significant reduction in Chattel Slavery when Christianity and Islam the major theistic religions condone slavery; at present all sovereign nations has laws the prohibit chattel slavery and in most cases, all forms of slavery.
I have justified;
God is an Impossibility [to be Real]
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704
Why the majority of humans then and at present need God to exists [as real to them] is purely for psychological purposes, i.e. it has utilities as balm to soothe the cognitive dissonances arising from an inherent existential crisis.
It is likely theism have had contributed in soothing the cognitive pains of the majority of humans in the past, thus sustaining their relative well-being that is optimal to the then and present stage of evolution.
However in the last 600 years the average human has progressed tremendously so far, especially based on non-theistic science and other fields of knowledge without any reliance on whether God exists or not.
Currently there is a trend of an exponential expansion of knowledge but this is hindered by theism and philosophical realism.
The extreme with theism is that extremists Islamists could exterminate the human species with cheap easily available WMDs being contractually bound to commands of their God in the holy texts.
Since theism is driven by inherent cognitive dissonance arising from an existential crisis, where the latter cannot be got rid of, the viable solution is to wean off theism with alternative FOOLPROOF solutions to replace theism.
Therefrom it does not matter whether god exists or not.
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