Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am
To be even more realistic [realist version], we should state,
there is bundle and cluster of molecules and atoms with electrons and particles in motion in time
t and space[l] then track the existence of every molecules and atoms with electrons and particles in motion in its specific time
t and specific location in space[l].
No, no. To be really, super, special-real we should talk about clusters of subatomic particles, quarks, say.
But actually look at that fake noun CLUSTERS and it's horrible near synonym BUNDLES.
We gotta get rid of those to.
So we say something like
there are some subatomic particles over there near the barn.
But quarks aren't just in motion. Sometimes they sort of appear and sometimes they disappear. That quantum foam has net stabilities, sort of, but you can borrow from nothing, for example.
So, a realist would have to say, there's some changing numbers and motions of subatomic particles over there
And if they don't say that, they are communicating poorly.
A realist farmer, of course, wouldn't manage to keep his crops or animals alive.
An anti-realist famer would say '
here-there there's a mindgoat glob of quarks'. I am not sure where they should point when they say this. Perhaps one finger towards their own non-mind independent skull and one in the direction where the globgoat-side of the mind seems to come from but really doesn't.
Here's a question. A man is standing in a field with goats. He hasn't seen the goats. One of the goats sees him. The first time he realizes there might be a goat is when it head butts him from behind.
Did the goat coalesce out of the quantum foam just before or just when it struck him? IOW was there ever a goat running toward the man's butt?
My sense is anti-realist farmers would be as incompetent as VA's version of realist farmers, you know the guys never talking about goats or corn stalks, just pointing vaguely at different areas of quarks.