Class Dialectics

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Wizard22
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Class Dialectics

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I propose a Synthesis between: Nietzsche, Marx, and Darwin.

Western Civilization is largely and primarily built upon the notion of Anglo-American "Classical Liberalism", after the Colonialization, Industrialization, and Commercialization of the New World Continent. This notion of Classical Liberalism has morphed over time, and now mostly resembles 'Conservative' or 'Centrist' Americans. The Postmodern and Neo-Liberals in America are no longer "Classical Liberals", but instead more resemble Neo-Marxist, Neo-Communist, Neo-Maoist Totalitarians. Their ideology is Marxist-Secularism, a deep and violent Antithesis to Abrahamic Christendom. In other words, it is mostly Anti-Christian, referring to and targeting the 1950s American Conservative "Traditional Family". It is against "WASP" Culture, White Anglo-Saxon Protestants. These are two mutually opposed political dichotomies:

Neo-Marxist Secularism v Abrahamic-WASP Culture.

I don't expect most people to know the intricate details to these premises ... except by how individuals and small groups identify themselves and align their political allegiances today. It can be as simple as "Left v Right", "Liberal v Conservative", "Traditionalists v Progressives", Etc. It can be as simple as the new waves of post-feminism, post-transexuality, "Zhe-Zhim-Zhur" pronouns. Thus every individual in the Western Hemisphere, and really the entire world, are quickly investing in their positions among these cultural battles. Are you an individualist, or a tribalist? Are you a nationalist, or a globalist? Are you a capitalist, or a socialist? Etc.

Pick a label, and you get assigned a position on one of these many warfronts.



Philosophers deserve something better. Philosophy deserves something better. An over-arching ideology can encompass all of these political agendas, along with the international grudges and competitions throughout the globe. All human cultures and societies can be explained, rationalized, and understood. Thus a more insightful culture can arise as a result of this knowledge. Humans could, hypothetically, actually "progress" instead of repeating the countless errors and casualties of previous eras, generations, centuries, millenniums. Why repeat calamity, when we don't have to? Why suffer the mundane, when a better future awaits? Why not cultivate the upcoming centuries and generations, instead of neglecting them?



Nietzsche: Slave and Master Dialectics

Nietzsche's political and moral contributions are perhaps the most important. European peoples have a Genealogy built over the course of hundreds and thousands of years. These cultures and societies have a Genealogy, a Morality within them, which are Inherited. This is why Darwin must be included as well. Not only do 'Genes' evolve over time, but so do 'Memes', ideologies, political groups, morals, religious beliefs, etc. also evolve with them. Thus to speak of "Nature v Nurture", a deep analysis is required as to an individual and group's position in Time and History. These are the political beliefs inherited by them, and by the masses of humanity on Earth. Thus the "Nurturing" of these genetic compulsions/instincts/beliefs can be uplifted by a society, or suppressed. This is delineated through Modern and Postmodern Politicking, along with all corresponding political theories and philosophers. Contributions either add to, or diminish, the political power of specific individuals and groups over time.

Nietzsche identified the 'Master' and 'Slave' compulsion in Europeans, 'Masters' identified as a type of Noble or Aristocratic trait, versus the common Peasantry which tilled the land, soldiered the wars, with predominantly Servile intentions. This is the source of the "Nature v Nurture" dispute, along with the soil and foundation from whence Classical Liberalism (from the Enlightenment period) arose. It is also the basis of the Abrahamic-morality v Secular anti-morality Antithesis. Then add Marx into the picture here. Throughout human history, slave revolutions and social revolutions from the 'bottom' of society are rare. Because the lower-end spectrum of society, the poor, the criminal, the deviants, all share common attributes typically devoid of political power and influence. Rather those with political power and capability, "rise to the top" of societies over time from among the 'gifted gentry', the Bourgeois and Petite-Bourgeois. The Proletariat, however, are left holding the short end of the stick, historically.

This all changes in "Democratic" systems, which appeal to the mass of humanity, the Proletariat, which must be constantly suppressed and repressed by the Bourgeois. These are all standard beliefs among the Marxists, Communists, Socialists, Nationalists, Globalists, Democrats, Republicans, etc. And despite the countless disagreements and nuances of political theory ... what real 'gains' or improvements await Humanity in general? Here is the point for "Western Exceptionalism" as the byproduct of Western Imperialism. For the recent decades, the American Empire arose and has arisen. This includes an irresistible "Western Standard-of-Living" that peoples around the world hope to emigrate toward, or reproduce in their own (Old World) homeland. The West is emulated.

But this general 'prosperity' seems to slow, plateau, and stagnate now. Thus all these political differences and ideologies come to the forefront in a competition as to who exactly can 'claim' the near future. I propose this thread, to relate directly to Philosophical and Moral Beliefs, by Genealogy, and by Class. These are best understood through Nietzsche and Marx respectively. On top of these, the "ideas" that people have, and even their "individual identity", are intricately linked, necessarily, to their Genealogy and Genetically-inherited behaviors. You *ARE* what you Think. Your thoughts cannot 'betray' you, but only expose What and Why and Whom you are. For example, are you a "Determinist" or Not? Do you believe in Free-Will or Not? Are you a Nationalist or Not? All of these questions can be linked to your specific position in society, as a class, as an inheritance (aka. History), and from the cultures your proceeded from. Not only you, personally, but all persons, can quickly become identified through these political theories.

Only upon knowing what what and why and how, could you individually, or any society, hypothetically, "Advance".
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Re: Class Dialectics

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Nietzsche had as much use for socialists as he had for christians.

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Impenitent wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 10:53 pm Nietzsche had as much use for socialists as he had for christians.

-Imp
Do you consider taxes going to public schools, 'Socialism', Imp? ... just wondering.

I don't think you have an idea of how far the Socialist-rabbithole goes downward...
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Wizard22 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 3:47 am
Impenitent wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 10:53 pm Nietzsche had as much use for socialists as he had for christians.

-Imp
Do you consider taxes going to public schools, 'Socialism', Imp? ... just wondering.

I don't think you have an idea of how far the Socialist-rabbithole goes downward...
to an extent, yes

-Imp
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Re: Class Dialectics

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Impenitent wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 6:25 amto an extent, yes

-Imp
For most of my life, I've been an Individualist too. This changes when you begin investing in yourself and family. You acquire assets, which must be managed, maintained, and defended. You acquire mates and children. Women and children in particular, require cooperation. Females have a particularly 'socialistic' mindset, compared to males. You can call it different 'valuation'. Some males value independence, freedom, isolation, and individual very much, and can acquire such, compared to most others who cannot.

Independents (male) v Dependents (female, children).

I hope it's obvious to most, that younger people, young adults, teenagers, children, are Socialistic. Because the vast majority of them have not been weaned off their Mother's support. It's like leaving a child being breastfed too long. When infants are not weaned properly, they become over-dependent and it creates Sociopathic tendencies. Apply this principle times one-hundred million. This then appears on the Macro level as 'Socialism' and 'Socialist' compulsions.

The masses begin to justify theft and stealing, rather than work and labor. In a faltering, failing Democracy, this quickly converts to political corruption and vote bribery. Votes have an outright dollar cost, as in the recent 2020 Election. Democrats are more-than-willing to sell their votes directly to the Democrat oligarchy. The Republicans, being 'hypothetically' more principled, refuse to 'cheat' and honor 'honesty' against dishonest enemies. Thus they will continue to lose, and lose, and lose, until they are such a small minority as to become steamrolled completely and the new political underclass.
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Re: Class Dialectics

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Most people connect Class to Economics.

This connection needs a fundamental change and reexamination. Instead, consider that 'Class' represents your Purpose and Meaning in life. And the "Quality" of your life, or any life, is its Class of meaning and purpose. In this, it becomes much more obvious how one lifetime can have great purpose and meaning, while others may not.

So why not? Why wouldn't people "Choose" to have a highest quality of purpose and meaning in life, versus anything lesser?

And what then measures the quality of Life by its purpose and meaning? Surely, most people are contented and satisfied by Life's simpler pleasures, which are yet meaningful...like Marriage and Family. In these, most people find great Meaning. While this is accessible to the vast majority, it does not answer further questions. What is the Significance of a life? What is Uncommon or Rare, in life? Of life?
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Re: Class Dialectics

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Impenitent wrote: Sat May 27, 2023 10:53 pm
to an extent, yes

-Imp
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