Yes, we were taught their shapes at school with large, raised letters. I might be a bit rusty, though.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:53 pmIf someone carved a sentence out of Latin characters, could you feel the carvings and read it?
I know it wouldn't be as smooth and natural of an experience for you as reading Braille, but could you? Do you tactically know the shapes of the letters well enough to do that?
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That's something I never really thought about. Blind people's connection to the shapes of our letters and numbers. Interesting. Thanks for answering.Maia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:55 pmYes, we were taught their shapes at school with large, raised letters. I might be a bit rusty, though.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:53 pmIf someone carved a sentence out of Latin characters, could you feel the carvings and read it?
I know it wouldn't be as smooth and natural of an experience for you as reading Braille, but could you? Do you tactically know the shapes of the letters well enough to do that?
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You're welcome. When I think of anything written, it's always Braille that I think of.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:15 pmThat's something I never really thought about. Blind people's connection to the shapes of our letters and numbers. Interesting. Thanks for answering.Maia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:55 pmYes, we were taught their shapes at school with large, raised letters. I might be a bit rusty, though.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:53 pm
If someone carved a sentence out of Latin characters, could you feel the carvings and read it?
I know it wouldn't be as smooth and natural of an experience for you as reading Braille, but could you? Do you tactically know the shapes of the letters well enough to do that?
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Yes, when reading I imagine the words being spoken.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:57 pmWhen you're reading in braille, do you mentally hear the sounds in your head? Or is reading purely a tactile experience with no imagined auditory element?
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Cool, same. Apparently not everyone does that, apparently speed readers can digest the words without the sound. I can'tMaia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:01 pmYes, when reading I imagine the words being spoken.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:57 pmWhen you're reading in braille, do you mentally hear the sounds in your head? Or is reading purely a tactile experience with no imagined auditory element?
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Quite the presumption there...
I base literacy on whether a person can repeat what s/he has read or heard verbatim, along with the ability to integrate and understand all layers of its meaning.
There are many people who can read a paragraph, and not understand it. That is illiteracy.
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I also imagine the words being spoken when I type them, too, as in right now. Interesting, it's so natural that I had hardly even thought about it.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:21 pmCool, same. Apparently not everyone does that, apparently speed readers can digest the words without the sound. I can'tMaia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:01 pmYes, when reading I imagine the words being spoken.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:57 pm
When you're reading in braille, do you mentally hear the sounds in your head? Or is reading purely a tactile experience with no imagined auditory element?
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Well, maybe in a broader sense, but in a literal sense, literacy is simply the ability to read and write, in some format or other.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:23 pmQuite the presumption there...
I base literacy on whether a person can repeat what s/he has read or heard verbatim, along with the ability to integrate and understand all layers of its meaning.
There are many people who can read a paragraph, and not understand it. That is illiteracy.
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In two sentences you went from denying your own racism, to accusing me of your racism, to saying that racism is right anyway.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 4:15 pmNo, you are an Accuser and projecting your own racism. You don't even know what you're talking about, even when confronted with the reality of black-majority populations and what they do when unpoliced.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:11 amYou are attempting to make a racial point with that video about black people being violent? That proves my point that you think entirely in racial terms.
You're simple-minded.
Let's not evade the racism problem you have.
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My screenreader reads the Latin alphabet and Arabic numbers and then converts them into speech for me. I don't read them myself. When I write, that is, when I type, I press the appropriate keys which are then converted into the Latin alphabet or Arabic numbers, but again, I don't actually write them myself.
A fine distinction, perhaps, but in a discussion about the actual letters, as opposed to the sounds they represent, a relevant one, I think.
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It's like you are struggling with basic English comprehension or something.
Through the lens of systems theory any number of entities interacting makes a system. 8 billion people on Earth interacting makes up the system called "society".
It's not an argument - it's a trivial implication of the definition.
I am not going to explain weight of evidence to you again.
So you are defaulting to a bandwagon fallacy and you want me to prove a negative?
OK then...
Russia and China are large countries. Nigeria are large countries. You aren't really addressing the question.
It seems philosophy has become nothing other than abusing Cunningham's law...
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I see. (no pun intended)Maia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:48 pmMy screenreader reads the Latin alphabet and Arabic numbers and then converts them into speech for me. I don't read them myself. When I write, that is, when I type, I press the appropriate keys which are then converted into the Latin alphabet or Arabic numbers, but again, I don't actually write them myself.
A fine distinction, perhaps, but in a discussion about the actual letters, as opposed to the sounds they represent, a relevant one, I think.
But not relevant to, and rather digressive to the current debate.
But you DO use the Latin alphabet, just one step removed.
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Well, as I said, when I think of the printed word, I think of Braille. I don't think it's true to say that I use the Latin alphabet at all in any meaningful sense, and I certainly don't think in it. I can sign my name, and that's about it, though I can't vouch for its legibility.Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 10:18 pmI see. (no pun intended)Maia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:48 pmMy screenreader reads the Latin alphabet and Arabic numbers and then converts them into speech for me. I don't read them myself. When I write, that is, when I type, I press the appropriate keys which are then converted into the Latin alphabet or Arabic numbers, but again, I don't actually write them myself.
A fine distinction, perhaps, but in a discussion about the actual letters, as opposed to the sounds they represent, a relevant one, I think.
But not relevant to, and rather digressive to the current debate.
But you DO use the Latin alphabet, just one step removed.
The point is that English can be, and is, written in scripts other than the Latin alphabet, which has no intrinsic connection to the spoken word.