Decline of the West???

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Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:37 am
Maia wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 am
Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:18 am I understand that the sight of letters are different than linguistics via words only.

You're missing out on how NOT-Germanic English really is.

The case you're making...we may as use Greeks as the standard of our linguistics seeing how Philosophy is dominated by Greek concepts. Does this therein mean English people are Greek? Or that our language is Greek?

I think you are over-estimating the Germanic impact.
Old English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.
It's almost as if Wizard22 doesn't know what he's talking about, isn't it? :|
Shockingly, I think that may well be the case.
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Maia wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:40 am
Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:37 am
Maia wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 am

Old English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.
It's almost as if Wizard22 doesn't know what he's talking about, isn't it? :|
Shockingly, I think that may well be the case.
Mmm, how strange. I mean, he's not a complete and utter idiot, yet he seems to go out of his way to come across as one. Or perhaps he's not going out of his way. :|
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Re: Decline of the West???

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Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:57 am
Maia wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:40 am
Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:37 am

It's almost as if Wizard22 doesn't know what he's talking about, isn't it? :|
Shockingly, I think that may well be the case.
Mmm, how strange. I mean, he's not a complete and utter idiot, yet he seems to go out of his way to come across as one. Or perhaps he's not going out of his way. :|
He's either extremely clever, or... actually, scratch that.
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Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmI told you correctly that the banks are owned by almagamations of shareholders,
Shareholders are not Jewish or Zionist? Really? Who's pushing money through Wall Street, only rich goy Nazis and nobody else?
Most of the shareholders are not Jews, that is simple fact. The money comes from all over the place and you can't sensibly pin that on the JJews either.
Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmnot a cabal of Jews.
Jews are idealistic about their Messianism and racial-tribal identification. They act in their best interests, as does every other biological group qualifier in existence.
You do a lot of stuff specifically on behalf of white men do you? Bit of a march with at tiki torch perhaps?
Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmWhy did you write a bunch of weird shit about noticing stuff instead of just aknowledging your error?
Because dealing with Slander and Defamation, requires that I "put you in your place" so-to-speak, knock you down a few pegs...which comes effortlessly.
You like to congratulate yourself regularly and often don't you?
Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmI corrected your mistake about who runs the Fed and what their religion is, you ignred that too.
You made a bad and false counter-argument. As-if the United States FED would decline an order from Janet Yellen to raise or lower interest rates...(they wouldn't)

Because the US Executive Branch has power over the FED, and can dictate terms to it. Banks require Military protection, to exist.
Now it's a hostage situation is it? You will write any specious nonsense to maintain this anti-semitic high you got going. Are you saying that Jews run the US military?

The Fed has a committee called the FOMC that meets to set interest rates and it is quite normal for economists to know which member voted which way on rates int he last meeting and which way they plan to vote at the next.
Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmI asked you how you think the CCP is a race. It's a political party, how the fuck ycould it be a race? Your response, something about "all one race" that had nothing to do with the point.
The CCP is comprised of racially pure, homogeneous ethnic Han Chinese.

They do not allow outsiders into their Government.
That's weird, you were listing us (Anglos) along side them. Have you seen the colour of the UK Prime Ministers skin?
Wizard22 wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:26 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 1:24 pmYou keep trying to insult me with accusations of jewishness, that's because you kind of are a bit of a nazi.
It's because you kind of are a bit of a yid.

That's why you took it personally when I sarcastically claimed that Zelensky is an Israeli puppet sent to blood sacrifice millions upon millions of Slavs to their death, in order to re-summon Satan onto Earth.

Unable to 'read the room', you were triggered, because of your identity, to defend your kinsmen from racist hill billy redneck NAZIS!!! Foolishly you attacked...without knowing your opposition. I am not racist, not a hill billy, not a redneck, not a nazi, and so you have literally no worthwhile slander. Instead you only expose yourself.

So if I make a joke at Jewish' peoples' expense, it means I hate them? You hate everybody you joke about? You hate everybody you criticize? Maybe to a simple-minded, buffoon, I suppose so.

Again, Philosophy means that nobody is immune from criticism, least of all "God's Chosen Ones". (As if God can't pick a new favorite? Or the Israelites can't muff it up and fall out of favor? As-if things never change?)
You are a racist though. You've already told us multiple that you think black people are bloodthirsty. You are intent on accusing JEws of running the banking system even though you are using absurd antique tropes to do so.

You have clearly internalised a racially deterministic world view that you don't even consider controversial. You probably don't even understand how statements based off it keep getting you into trouble.
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Re: Decline of the West???

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Sculptor wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:30 amYou would have to have a revolution. Kill all the economists.
Currently, civil servants and politicians have all been schooled in this economic model. This means that the 1% control everything to their own advantage, in a decreasing spiral, of tax breaks for the rich, and relocating manufacturing outside the West. That is why there is a significant structural decline in Western economies. But the rich are too busy yachting around between the Crib and Monaco to notice.

There is a new model called Modern Monetary Theory which answers many of the problems.
There is an easy-to-read introduction if you are interested.
"The Deficit Myth" Stephanie Kelton
That might happen if inflation gets high enough throughout the West. Problem is, the ultra-rich simply take their fleets of yachts to new shores when they see the pitchforks coming.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:58 amDoes not mean anything of the kind.
Greek we get third hand via Latin, or as a reintroduction via the Renaissance and Enlightenment science.
Even the word "greek" is not Greek.

But our base is German: father, mother brother, earth, wind and fire, hound, house, street, child, foot, heart, day, night, Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Young, Good, Eye, Ear Tree, Book, Rain, snow, friend, King, light, dark.
These are foundational common basic words.

English and German are forms of the same language.
If you know basic German words you have an English vocac.

You could get by without knowing the word "Orchestra".
This word is originally Greek. But it did not even come to us from Greece. It comes into English in the 16thC, probably from Germany but because of a pan European development in music which required the acquisition of a new word. So the fact that all Europe uses the word does not even imply a Greek influence, but a borrowing.
Democracy.
This word, although Greek is acquired via Latin in the Medieval period. But that does not mean Anglophone countries were influenced by Greece through the word. "Barbarian" democratic systems were common place before Rome, and continued in Scaninavian countries until crushed in the Christian period.
Each Greek word has its own history. But there is no continuity. Englsih is an evolved German language, as is modern German.

The Greek language gave us : all the -ologies; biology, geography, etc..
We acquired these when Greece did not even exist, as under the yoke of the Turk.

The reason for this was because there was a Pan-European community of scientists who communicated with each other mainly in Latin.
It might surprise you to learn that "Biology" was a word coined in English as late as 1819, and Geology as late as 1790s.
So the use of such words does not imply a Greek influence, as such.
Maia wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 amOld English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Old_Engli ... %20and%20c.

The English alphabet, "Alpha-Beta" is mostly Græco-Roman, only a few letters like U, K, F, X, are based on German runes. The rest are Latin.

As you admitted, most educational fields are Greek. Most medical terms are Greek.

The calendar is Roman.


You, Maia, and Harbal all need to take some history, culture, linguistic lessons...
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Not enough time to address Skepdick's response and Flash's mindfarts right now....more later.
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Wizard22 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:53 pm
You, Maia, and Harbal all need to take some history, culture, linguistic lessons...
Thank you, Wizard, I will take steps to ignore your advice.
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Wizard22 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:56 pm more later.
Oh, God. :roll:
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Harbal wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:17 pmOh, God. :roll:
[ Wizard22 checking in on his PN forum responses ]

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Wizard22 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:56 pm Not enough time to address Skepdick's response and Flash's mindfarts right now....more later.
Have you got an important lynching?

Everybody stand aside, GrandWizzzzard22 is a busy man with crosses to burn all over town.
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Wizard22 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:53 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:58 amDoes not mean anything of the kind.
Greek we get third hand via Latin, or as a reintroduction via the Renaissance and Enlightenment science.
Even the word "greek" is not Greek.

But our base is German: father, mother brother, earth, wind and fire, hound, house, street, child, foot, heart, day, night, Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Young, Good, Eye, Ear Tree, Book, Rain, snow, friend, King, light, dark.
These are foundational common basic words.

English and German are forms of the same language.
If you know basic German words you have an English vocac.

You could get by without knowing the word "Orchestra".
This word is originally Greek. But it did not even come to us from Greece. It comes into English in the 16thC, probably from Germany but because of a pan European development in music which required the acquisition of a new word. So the fact that all Europe uses the word does not even imply a Greek influence, but a borrowing.
Democracy.
This word, although Greek is acquired via Latin in the Medieval period. But that does not mean Anglophone countries were influenced by Greece through the word. "Barbarian" democratic systems were common place before Rome, and continued in Scaninavian countries until crushed in the Christian period.
Each Greek word has its own history. But there is no continuity. Englsih is an evolved German language, as is modern German.

The Greek language gave us : all the -ologies; biology, geography, etc..
We acquired these when Greece did not even exist, as under the yoke of the Turk.

The reason for this was because there was a Pan-European community of scientists who communicated with each other mainly in Latin.
It might surprise you to learn that "Biology" was a word coined in English as late as 1819, and Geology as late as 1790s.
So the use of such words does not imply a Greek influence, as such.
Maia wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 amOld English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Old_Engli ... %20and%20c.

The English alphabet, "Alpha-Beta" is mostly Græco-Roman, only a few letters like U, K, F, X, are based on German runes. The rest are Latin.

As you admitted, most educational fields are Greek. Most medical terms are Greek.

The calendar is Roman.


You, Maia, and Harbal all need to take some history, culture, linguistic lessons...
Why do you keep going on about the alphabet? It has nothing to do with the language. You could can write a language in any alphabet you like.
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Wizard22 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:45 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:30 amYou would have to have a revolution. Kill all the economists.
Currently, civil servants and politicians have all been schooled in this economic model. This means that the 1% control everything to their own advantage, in a decreasing spiral, of tax breaks for the rich, and relocating manufacturing outside the West. That is why there is a significant structural decline in Western economies. But the rich are too busy yachting around between the Crib and Monaco to notice.

There is a new model called Modern Monetary Theory which answers many of the problems.
There is an easy-to-read introduction if you are interested.
"The Deficit Myth" Stephanie Kelton
That might happen if inflation gets high enough throughout the West. Problem is, the ultra-rich simply take their fleets of yachts to new shores when they see the pitchforks coming.
Where do they run to?
We could always invade Monaco, and the other off-shore cash havens.
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Wizard22 wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:53 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:58 amDoes not mean anything of the kind.
Greek we get third hand via Latin, or as a reintroduction via the Renaissance and Enlightenment science.
Even the word "greek" is not Greek.

But our base is German: father, mother brother, earth, wind and fire, hound, house, street, child, foot, heart, day, night, Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Young, Good, Eye, Ear Tree, Book, Rain, snow, friend, King, light, dark.
These are foundational common basic words.

English and German are forms of the same language.
If you know basic German words you have an English vocac.

You could get by without knowing the word "Orchestra".
This word is originally Greek. But it did not even come to us from Greece. It comes into English in the 16thC, probably from Germany but because of a pan European development in music which required the acquisition of a new word. So the fact that all Europe uses the word does not even imply a Greek influence, but a borrowing.
Democracy.
This word, although Greek is acquired via Latin in the Medieval period. But that does not mean Anglophone countries were influenced by Greece through the word. "Barbarian" democratic systems were common place before Rome, and continued in Scaninavian countries until crushed in the Christian period.
Each Greek word has its own history. But there is no continuity. Englsih is an evolved German language, as is modern German.

The Greek language gave us : all the -ologies; biology, geography, etc..
We acquired these when Greece did not even exist, as under the yoke of the Turk.

The reason for this was because there was a Pan-European community of scientists who communicated with each other mainly in Latin.
It might surprise you to learn that "Biology" was a word coined in English as late as 1819, and Geology as late as 1790s.
So the use of such words does not imply a Greek influence, as such.
Maia wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:46 amOld English was almost entirely Germanic in its grammar and vocabulary. This is not surprising, since the Anglo-Saxons came from Germany.

The language was later influenced by Danish, through the Viking invasions. This is still reflected in Northern dialects, in particular. But Danish is also Germanic, and closely related to Old English.

Later, after 1066, it was heavily influenced by Norman French, certainly in terms of vocabulary, rather than grammar. But most of the everyday words we use are still Old English in origin.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Old_Engli ... %20and%20c.

The English alphabet, "Alpha-Beta" is mostly Græco-Roman, only a few letters like U, K, F, X, are based on German runes. The rest are Latin.
Not remotely relevant.
And not remotely true.
Our alphabet is originally Phoenician.
But words predate any attempt to write them down.
Language is primarily linguistic and not literal.
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 5:06 pmNot remotely relevant.
And not remotely true.
Our alphabet is originally Phoenician.
But words predate any attempt to write them down.
Language is primarily linguistic and not literal.
Maia wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:47 pmWhy do you keep going on about the alphabet? It has nothing to do with the language. You could can write a language in any alphabet you like.
Incorrect, the Alphabet is the base structure of phonetic representation, attaching sound and phonemes to symbols.

The Græco-Romans extended the Phoenician system, especially the Hellenic Greeks with the introduction of Philosophy.

English is more Latin than it is Germanic. Both of you are simply wrong. You may take this argument to a new thread if you like.
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