I'm sure they'd find some type of political protection and country willing to compromise themselves for money.
I think that might be what this is all about...how much a society sells-out its sons and daughters, determines its fate.
I'm sure they'd find some type of political protection and country willing to compromise themselves for money.
Humanism is simply false. "We are all One" (Secular Humanism) is incorrect.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:21 amThere's one society: all the humans in existence, their interactions and self-organization which gives ries to the observed sub-divisions into countries,political factions, identifies, philosophies etc. all of those categories you end up calling societies (plural) are emergent phenomena.
This is trivialy true that anybody who denies this needs their head checked. Irrespective of your nationality or society (as you conceptualize it) you grew up in you are still human with basic human rights. Are you not?
Not when comparing 2023 to 1999, or to 1970, or to 1950, in the West.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:21 amIt's almost like you refuse to acknowledge the class mobility I am pointing at.
Being poor today is better than being poor 5000 years ago. That IS class mobility.
The entire class of people we call "poor" has moved such that the experience of the members of this chass has drastically improved.
The entire class has shrunk also.
One past, with countless opinions/perspectives/sides to it. Your side happens to be incorrect.
"For most part." Except for its current revival in the West!
By "The West" most people mean culturally the Anglo-sphere, USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and Western Europe. Geographically it includes Latin America, but only in the sections they've adopted Anglican values/culture. Brazilians are in the West, but not really "Westerners" per se, for this reason.
Yes so there are many factors and measures of decline, hence other peoples' arguments for it thus far.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:21 amWhere did you see the word "money" anywhere in what I said?
Poverty is about the worst overall quality of life amongst your fellow humans! You are the one who keeps trying to reduce it to arbitrary material things like property ownership; or genital mutilation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbcCFCsEe2YFlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:19 pmYou are a racist though. You've already told us multiple that you think black people are bloodthirsty. You are intent on accusing JEws of running the banking system even though you are using absurd antique tropes to do so.
You are attempting to make a racial point with that video about black people being violent? That proves my point that you think entirely in racial terms.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:47 amhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbcCFCsEe2YFlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:19 pmYou are a racist though. You've already told us multiple that you think black people are bloodthirsty. You are intent on accusing JEws of running the banking system even though you are using absurd antique tropes to do so.
There's many more where this video comes from too. Pull your head out of the sand. Set aside your small hat. Merely look at Reality.
Stop kvetching for one minute.
So the alphabet came first, before spoken language? An interesting theory, if that's the right word.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:35 amIncorrect, the Alphabet is the base structure of phonetic representation, attaching sound and phonemes to symbols.
The Græco-Romans extended the Phoenician system, especially the Hellenic Greeks with the introduction of Philosophy.
English is more Latin than it is Germanic. Both of you are simply wrong. You may take this argument to a new thread if you like.
I am not arguing for "humanism"; or "we are one". Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:44 am Humanism is simply false. "We are all One" (Secular Humanism) is incorrect.
Humans interacting - a system.A system is a group of interacting or interrelated elements that act according to a set of rules to form a unified whole.
A system, surrounded and influenced by its environment, is described by its boundaries, structure and purpose and is expressed in its functioning. Systems are the subjects of study of systems theory and other systems sciences.
Systems have several common properties and characteristics, including structure, function(s), behavior and interconnectivity.
That's the epitome of reductionist cherry-picking.
Countless opinions/perspectives/sides to ONE past.
And your side happens to be incorrect about me being incorrect.
This flexible and abstract "West", eh? I bet if we had to unpack what you mean by that term you'll be using the word "except" a lot...
This seems rather geographicaply discombobulated. Why Western Europe but not Europe as a whole? Why Australia but not Japan or Malaysia?Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:44 am By "The West" most people mean culturally the Anglo-sphere, USA, Canada, UK, Australia, and Western Europe. Geographically it includes Latin America, but only in the sections they've adopted Anglican values/culture. Brazilians are in the West, but not really "Westerners" per se, for this reason.
There are many factors. Which is why I keep asking you (and you keep ignoring the question) when you take all of those factors into account and speak in in general/overal terms: is being poor in 2023 BC the same, better or worse than being poor in 2023 AD?
FFS.Wizard22 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:35 amIncorrect, the Alphabet is the base structure of phonetic representation, attaching sound and phonemes to symbols.
The Græco-Romans extended the Phoenician system, especially the Hellenic Greeks with the introduction of Philosophy.
English is more Latin than it is Germanic. Both of you are simply wrong. You may take this argument to a new thread if you like.
That's what the Czar and Czarina said.
I think that might be what this is all about...how much a society sells-out its sons and daughters, determines its fate.
No, you are an Accuser and projecting your own racism. You don't even know what you're talking about, even when confronted with the reality of black-majority populations and what they do when unpoliced.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 1:11 amYou are attempting to make a racial point with that video about black people being violent? That proves my point that you think entirely in racial terms.
Horrendous argumentation...promethean75 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 3:49 am racist reflection of the day. racists read the following to themselves: i could never know if the things about a race i perceive as inferior or degenerate were intrinsic to the race in question or a product/result of an environment... such that if i took a sample of the race and put it in a different environment, those inferior and degenerate qualities were no longer produced, making my problem with them social and/or economic rather than racial. end reflection.
on the other hand, obvious cases of inferiority, e.g., african ermericans having a gene that makes them highly susceptible to sickle cell anemia of some sort, are trivial enough not to warrant or justify real concern about intrinsic racial characteristics being meaningfully inferior.
also, personal subjective aesthetic preferences like finding african ermercians unattractive doesn't qualify as an objective example of some kind of inferiority in terms of evolutionary fitness (like the sickle cell thing might). neither does the fact that african ermercian's muscle is fatigued at a slower rate than other races qualify other races as inferior, except trivially (maybe in some types of sport).
Same with intelligence levels. All races produce sample groups of some straight up dumbasses if the socio-economic circumstances permit. And if u average everything out, IQ point differences are negligible.
That's not what I said nor implied.
I made the claim about the language, not the alphabet. What is it that you're not understanding here?
Except when you claimed "We are all one society"...
Read this thread and other peoples' opinions again.
Because large societies associate as such. Much of it is political, like the US-NATO alliance, or WEF operating securely in the United States and representing most US corporations.Skepdick wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 6:46 amThis seems rather geographicaply discombobulated. Why Western Europe but not Europe as a whole? Why Australia but not Japan or Malaysia?
What is the shared trait/property which makes you cherry-pick those scattered geographic areas and label them "The West". What do they have in common to deserve being grouped together?
It depends on what being poor is like in both circumstances. It might be worse now.