So, IF the 'men' in a 'men ONLY' club or pub had evolved, changed,and/or progressed 'their views', and AGREED that 'women' now be allowed into 'that club or bar', then this would be RIDICULOUS ALSO?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:25 pmThat's ridiculous. Women already have their own spaces, as do men.Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:06 pmYes, you've already expressed that they have a right to disallow trans people from their bathrooms, I understand that you think they have the right to disallow. I'm asking you if you think women also have the right to choose, as a group, to allow.
If, say, a state government put out a referendum for biologically female voters, and found that the majority of them wanted to allow trans women into women's bathrooms, would you have any problem with that being legally allowed in that state?
As 'those men' already have 'their own space'?
So, there are SOME 'things' that 'the ACTUAL members of the club' are NEVER to 'vote on', correct?
Also, I do NOT think that ANY one here THINKS that the majority of 'women' would vote to allow 'transgender men', (or 'transgender women') into 'women's toilets', in the days when this is being written. A question was JUST ASKED in order to JUST CLARIFY "another's" VIEW, which, to me anyway, is NOT so-called 'ridiculous' AT ALL.
It was just a HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION ASKED to gauge one's VIEWS.
And the QUESTION ASKED was NOT about REMOVING 'basic human rights'. The QUESTION ASKED IF, and ONLY IF, 'biologically female voters' AGREED that 'trans women' BE ALLOWED into 'women's bathrooms', then WOULD the person ASKED the QUESTION have a problem with 'that' being legally allowed, and that WAS ALL.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 8:53 pmYou don't have referendums to vote to remove basic human rghts.
What you are sounding like here is like the way a so-called "white person", back in the OLDEN DAYS, could have 'TRIED TO' "argue" for THEIR POSITION. That is if the QUESTION; If, say, a state government put out a referendum for "white voters", and found that the majority of them wanted to allow "black people" into "whites ONLY bathrooms", would you have any problem with that being legally allowed in that state? was ASKED to "another person", then 'you' COULD, just as 'you' DID here, SAY, 'That's ridiculous. "Whites" already have their own spaces, as do "blacks", AND ALSO SAY and CLAIM, 'You don't have referendums to vote to remove basic human rights', AS WELL.
SEE, to so-called "whites", BACK THEN, it WAS "their basic human right" to have SEPARATE bathrooms FROM "those blacks".
AND, as STUPID as 'this' SOUNDS now, in the days WHEN this is being written, so to DOES a LOT of what is being SAID and STATED 'now', in the days when this is being written, to those who are NOT in these VERY OLDEN DAYS.
The QUESTION ASKED, WHAT IF the 'biological women' HAD CHANGED the WAY 'they' THINK and HAD 'now' DECIDED to vote to ALLOW so-called "others" into 'their bathrooms', THEN SHOULD that MAJORITY AGREED UPON vote be LEGALLY ALLOWED.
JUST LIKE SHOULD WHEN the MAJORITY AGREED that so-called "black people" SHOULD these "black people" be LEGALLY ALLOWED to USE the so-and-previously-called "whites ONLY bathrooms"?
SHOULD children who have had sex with other AGREEING and WANTING children NEVER be ALLOWED to 'work with children' for the REST of 'their lives'.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:25 pm Should there be a referendum to allow convicted paedophiles to work with children?
Did 'you', "vegetariantaxidermy", have sex with "other children" when 'you' were 'a child'?
If yes, then SHOULD 'you' be ALLOWED to 'work with children'?
If yes, then WHY?
OBVIOUSLY, "those children" could NOT 'consent', and therefore, legally, 'you' RAPED 'them'.
SEE, when people WANT to LOOK AT and TALK ABOUT 'things' here, I suggest that 'they' LOOK AT and TALK ABOUT the WHOLE Picture, and NOT just ABOUT 'their OWN TINY LITTLE PERSPECTIVE of 'things'.
SO, WHO IS INCLUDED, and WHO SHOULD GET EXCLUDED, SHOULD ALL ALINE WITH "vegetariantaxidermy's" VIEWS and PREJUDICES here, correct?vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:25 pm (not so far fetched any more. I mean, we are all DUTY BOUND to be INCLUSIVE of EVERYONE)
Oops, sorry. I mean 'MAP's. I hope I didn't offend anyone on here...