Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed May 17, 2023 6:19 am
The main religions [Abrahamic and others] do postulate "Humans are Intricately Part & Parcel of Reality."
Rather they assert humans are entities created by God and are independent from God, thus do not focus on the point that they are a part of something larger than themselves. This is the same for philosophical realists who insist reality is independent of the human conditions or human minds. This is the reason, realists like PH deny moral objectivity because to them, there cannot be any moral facts that can exist as mind-independent entities. To them whatever the moral elements, they are always subjective and thus can never the mind-independent.
That religions do not focus upon humanity or organisms in general as parts of something larger than themselves, this is the seed of the concept of free will and the foundation of the principle of sin itself, a most unhealthy master-slave relationship with an imaginary friend/father figure and/or dictator. How could the religious claim to be independent from God, if they are frightened to death of the master, where they might if they get it wrong burn in hell forever and a day? Yes, it is true the only objectivity that could pretend to objectivity is the unmanifested energies that surround us which have not be processed by biological consciousness and projected as apparent reality, there is no such thing otherwise of objectivity, it is all subjective experiences owned by the conscious subject and then bestowed upon an utterly meaningless world. Subject and object stand or fall together, take one away, the energies/objects and the mind ceases to be, take away the conscious subject and the physical world ceases to be on a subjective level, all that might seem remain, the unknown energies of ultimate reality.
However, where Humans are Intricately Part & Parcel of Reality - morality can be objective;
1. Humans are Intricately Part & Parcel of Reality [all there is]
2. All facts of reality are conditioned upon a specific FSK sustained by a collective of subjects not ONE subject - thus objective.
3. Moral facts are conditioned upon a moral FSK.
4. Therefore, morality is objective. [/quote]
First, what does FSK stand for? A quote from Schopenhauer. " When a conscious subject close its eyes in death a world ceases to be." While it is true there is no physical reality in the absence of biological consciousness the subjective experiences of living a life must vary one to the next. There are no such things as moral facts due to the fact that all meaning is biologically dependent, when one identifies with another compassion for its suffering arises and through this subjective compassion morality starts to form and in particular in social groups of like kinds. The easier it is to identify with other the greater the compassion and the more likely that biological sensitivity will find biological expression as an extension of said biology. There is only one way to know the outside world, the physical world and that is through one's own subjectivity, there simply is no other
In my case, there is no such differentiation between apparent-reality and real-reality.
Whatever is reality is always conditioned within a human-based FSK.
As such, whenever any claim 'reality exists' the question to ask therefrom is;
based or conditioned [predicated] upon which human-based FSK? [/quote]
You are creating confusion for yourself; words are abstracts like concepts. Words are qualifications and/or limitations excellent for finding that which is real, but the word is not the thing. The holy grail of life is experience and only biological subjects experience. " Those who know the most, must mourn the deepest orr the fatal truth, the tree of knowledge is not that of life." Tymeson, I think
The term "reality is" or "reality exists" is groundless, empty and meaningless without the essential predicate, i.e. the conditioned human-based FSK.
"Exist" or "is" is not a predicate. "Is" is merely a copula to connect the object with its predicate. [/quote] The apple exists' is actually meaningless if deliberated seriously.
However, it make sense to state, "the apple exists as a fruit as conditioned within the science-biology FSK" which opens up its verification and justification processes based on the empirical, philosophical reasonings within its specific human based FSK.
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You are off on an unproductive tangent, words and concepts are tools to describe experience, again, experience is the holy grail.