The Contradiction of the Point

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The Contradiction of the Point

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1. The distance between two points is a line segment.
2. This distance between two points is a division of a point into two.
3. The line segment is a division.
4. The line segment as a division is surrounded by space.
5. This surrounding space is composed of infinite points as there are infinite positions around the space of a line segment.
6. The points which compose the line segment contrast the points around the line segment.
7. In introducing a line segment the point is divided; it is divided through the line segment and it is divided against the points around the line segment.
8. The point is self-divisive thus is a contradiction.

1. A point added to another point results in one point, much in the same manner a raindrop added to another raindrop results in one rain drop.
2. A point subtracted from a point results in one point, much in the same manner a raindrop subtracted from a raindrop results in one rain drop.
3. The infinite division of points is the infinite multiplication of points; this infinite division/multiplication of points results in a single point as all the points become indefinite much in the same manner a point is indefinite.

1. The fact that points, which are 0d entities, can be added/subtracted/multiplied necessitates it as quantifiably 1 given 1 is the foundation for all numbers.
2. The 0d point as quantifiable necessitates 0 as quantifiable thus a contradiction occurs.

1. The point cannot be added/subtracted/multiplied/divided as it is a 0d entity and as such is equivalent to 0.
2. The point is added/subtracted/multiplied/divided as evidenced by geometric shapes.
3. Shapes are a contradiction.

1. A line segment is composed of an infinite number of line segments thus an infinite number of points.
2. An infinite number of points is an infinite number of divisions.
3. The line segment is an act of division and yet this division allows for a shape to occur.
4. Shapes occurring through division is the shape as a contradiction as division necessitates opposition as one phenomenon stands apart from another.

1. The division of nothingness is the self-opposition, contradiction, of nothingness as being.
2. Considering nothingness cannot act, as to act makes nothingness a thing, to speak of it as self-contradicting is a contradiction in terms.
3. However the contradiction of nothingness is necessary for being to occur thus requiring a nonsensical argument.
4. The point is nothingness as it is 0 dimensional.
5. The point cannot be divided and yet it is as evidenced by a line segment.
6. The line segment, as the foundation for form, is nonsensical yet the very fact that it is sensed makes it contradictorly sensical.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:58 pm 1. The distance between two points is a line segment.
2. This distance between two points is a division of a point into two.
3. The line segment is a division.
4. The line segment as a division is surrounded by space.
5. This surrounding space is composed of infinite points as there are infinite positions around the space of a line segment.
6. The points which compose the line segment contrast the points around the line segment.
7. In introducing a line segment the point is divided; it is divided through the line segment and it is divided against the points around the line segment.
8. The point is self-divisive thus is a contradiction.

1. A point added to another point results in one point, much in the same manner a raindrop added to another raindrop results in one rain drop.
2. A point subtracted from a point results in one point, much in the same manner a raindrop subtracted from a raindrop results in one rain drop.
3. The infinite division of points is the infinite multiplication of points; this infinite division/multiplication of points results in a single point as all the points become indefinite much in the same manner a point is indefinite.

1. The fact that points, which are 0d entities, can be added/subtracted/multiplied necessitates it as quantifiably 1 given 1 is the foundation for all numbers.
2. The 0d point as quantifiable necessitates 0 as quantifiable thus a contradiction occurs.

1. The point cannot be added/subtracted/multiplied/divided as it is a 0d entity and as such is equivalent to 0.
2. The point is added/subtracted/multiplied/divided as evidenced by geometric shapes.
3. Shapes are a contradiction.

1. A line segment is composed of an infinite number of line segments thus an infinite number of points.
2. An infinite number of points is an infinite number of divisions.
3. The line segment is an act of division and yet this division allows for a shape to occur.
4. Shapes occurring through division is the shape as a contradiction as division necessitates opposition as one phenomenon stands apart from another.

1. The division of nothingness is the self-opposition, contradiction, of nothingness as being.
2. Considering nothingness cannot act, as to act makes nothingness a thing, to speak of it as self-contradicting is a contradiction in terms.
3. However the contradiction of nothingness is necessary for being to occur thus requiring a nonsensical argument.
4. The point is nothingness as it is 0 dimensional.
5. The point cannot be divided and yet it is as evidenced by a line segment.
6. The line segment, as the foundation for form, is nonsensical yet the very fact that it is sensed makes it contradictorly sensical.
Here is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of how the peoples in the days when this was being written would say just about ANY thing in order to 'TRY TO' back up and support what they ALREADY BELIEVE is true.
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The point is 0 dimensional is all I know. Start there.
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Agent Smith wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:29 am The point is 0 dimensional is all I know. Start there.
True and yet we can quantify points thus equating them to 1.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:00 pm
Agent Smith wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:29 am The point is 0 dimensional is all I know. Start there.
True and yet we can quantify points thus equating them to 1.
Taking a quantum physical particle as a "point", which by its nature has a dualistic nature,
has led to a misunderstanding of Quantum theory.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:00 pm
Agent Smith wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:29 am The point is 0 dimensional is all I know. Start there.
True and yet we can quantify points thus equating them to 1.
OF COURSE 'you', human beings, quantify points, which equates 'them' to being a 1.

The letter 's' added onto the word 'point' does this NATURALLY.

This EXACT SAME phenomena happens with the word 'Thing' and 'things' AS WELL.

Although in ACTUALITY there is only One 'Thing', sometimes known as and referred to as 'the Universe' and/or 'God', thee One and Only One gets "brocken up", conceptually ONLY, into MANY 'things' by just an 's' being added onto the 'thing' word.

This, 'splitting up' of the one and ONLY One into MANY, in concept ONLY, was just a Natural process in the evolutionary process for 'I' to come-to-UNDERSTAND and KNOW thy 'Self'.

See, the human brain was only able to withhold knowledge and make sense of the Universe, and of thy 'Self', by 'seeing' and 'understanding (all of) the 'things' FIRST, BEFORE thee One and ONLY True 'Thing', Itself.
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socrat44 wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:20 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:00 pm
Agent Smith wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:29 am The point is 0 dimensional is all I know. Start there.
True and yet we can quantify points thus equating them to 1.
Taking a quantum physical particle as a "point", which by its nature has a dualistic nature,
has led to a misunderstanding of Quantum theory.
Or quantum theory has a misunderstanding of the point.
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Age wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:08 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:00 pm
Agent Smith wrote: Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:29 am The point is 0 dimensional is all I know. Start there.
True and yet we can quantify points thus equating them to 1.
OF COURSE 'you', human beings, quantify points, which equates 'them' to being a 1.

The letter 's' added onto the word 'point' does this NATURALLY.

This EXACT SAME phenomena happens with the word 'Thing' and 'things' AS WELL.

Although in ACTUALITY there is only One 'Thing', sometimes known as and referred to as 'the Universe' and/or 'God', thee One and Only One gets "brocken up", conceptually ONLY, into MANY 'things' by just an 's' being added onto the 'thing' word.

This, 'splitting up' of the one and ONLY One into MANY, in concept ONLY, was just a Natural process in the evolutionary process for 'I' to come-to-UNDERSTAND and KNOW thy 'Self'.

See, the human brain was only able to withhold knowledge and make sense of the Universe, and of thy 'Self', by 'seeing' and 'understanding (all of) the 'things' FIRST, BEFORE thee One and ONLY True 'Thing', Itself.
If there is only one thing then all illusions are part of this reality thus are no longer illusions. But then there is an illusion that there are illusions. Under these terms reality is a contradiction and as a contradiction is beyond the senses. We cannot say what reality is or is not without ending in contradiction. And yet this prior statement is a statement about reality thus it contradicts itself. This contradiction exists. In reality there is only everything then. And this everything includes all things and conscious experiences as things. In summary my self-refuting argument is a pointer to how little we know of reality.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm
Age wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:08 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:00 pm

True and yet we can quantify points thus equating them to 1.
OF COURSE 'you', human beings, quantify points, which equates 'them' to being a 1.

The letter 's' added onto the word 'point' does this NATURALLY.

This EXACT SAME phenomena happens with the word 'Thing' and 'things' AS WELL.

Although in ACTUALITY there is only One 'Thing', sometimes known as and referred to as 'the Universe' and/or 'God', thee One and Only One gets "brocken up", conceptually ONLY, into MANY 'things' by just an 's' being added onto the 'thing' word.

This, 'splitting up' of the one and ONLY One into MANY, in concept ONLY, was just a Natural process in the evolutionary process for 'I' to come-to-UNDERSTAND and KNOW thy 'Self'.

See, the human brain was only able to withhold knowledge and make sense of the Universe, and of thy 'Self', by 'seeing' and 'understanding (all of) the 'things' FIRST, BEFORE thee One and ONLY True 'Thing', Itself.
If there is only one thing then all illusions are part of this reality thus are no longer illusions.
OBVIOUSLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm But then there is an illusion that there are illusions.
ONLY IF one is UNDER the ILLUSION that there ARE 'illusions'.

Are there 'illusions'?

If yes, then WHERE are 'they', and, WHAT are 'they', EXACTLY?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm Under these terms reality is a contradiction and as a contradiction is beyond the senses.
But it would NOT MATTER ONE IOTA what ANY one SAID here, you WILL TURN 'it' INTO A 'contradiction'.

This is BECAUSE of what you ALREADY BELIEVE to be ABSOLUTELY True.

And, what this one is doing here is a PERFECT example of 'confirmation bias' AT WORK, in REAL 'time'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm We cannot say what reality is or is not without ending in contradiction.
And 'that' is what this one BELIEVES is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, and so this one can NOT SEE ABSOLUTELY ANY thing else than 'this'.

Also, you USED the words 'this reality' above, as though you KNOW what 'this reality' IS, EXACTLY.

By the way, some of us CAN SAY what 'reality' IS, EXACTLY, and SAY 'it' IN A WAY which FITS IN PERFECTLY with EVERY 'thing' "else".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm And yet this prior statement is a statement about reality thus it contradicts itself.
YES, a GREAT DEAL of what 'you' SAY, and CLAIM, "eodnhoj7", DOES CONTRADICT itself.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm This contradiction exists.
OF COURSE 'contradiction' EXISTS. 'your' WORDS, ALONE, "eodnhoj7", are LIVING PROOF of this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm In reality there is only everything then. And this everything includes all things and conscious experiences as things.
Which ARE, OBVIOUSLY, ALSO 'things'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm In summary my self-refuting argument is a pointer to how little we know of reality.
LOL

'your', LAUGHABLE, so-called 'argument' is NOTHING MORE that just A POINTER, as well as PROOF, of just how LITTLE 'you' KNOW of 'reality', "eodnhoj7".

Although, a LOT of what 'you' SAY does HAVE a LOT of Truth WITHIN 'it' or BEHIND 'it', the WAY 'you' are EXPRESSING 'it', BECAUSE of 'your' ILL-GOTTEN BELIEFS, is just DISTORTING and TWISTING what the ACTUAL REAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY.

Lose the ASSUMING and BELIEVING, then what IS IRREFUTABLY True WILL COME-TO-LIGHT.
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This is thread is like listening to a sermon on Sunday morning when you have a hangover...
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Age wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:39 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm
Age wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:08 pm

OF COURSE 'you', human beings, quantify points, which equates 'them' to being a 1.

The letter 's' added onto the word 'point' does this NATURALLY.

This EXACT SAME phenomena happens with the word 'Thing' and 'things' AS WELL.

Although in ACTUALITY there is only One 'Thing', sometimes known as and referred to as 'the Universe' and/or 'God', thee One and Only One gets "brocken up", conceptually ONLY, into MANY 'things' by just an 's' being added onto the 'thing' word.

This, 'splitting up' of the one and ONLY One into MANY, in concept ONLY, was just a Natural process in the evolutionary process for 'I' to come-to-UNDERSTAND and KNOW thy 'Self'.

See, the human brain was only able to withhold knowledge and make sense of the Universe, and of thy 'Self', by 'seeing' and 'understanding (all of) the 'things' FIRST, BEFORE thee One and ONLY True 'Thing', Itself.
If there is only one thing then all illusions are part of this reality thus are no longer illusions.
OBVIOUSLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm But then there is an illusion that there are illusions.
ONLY IF one is UNDER the ILLUSION that there ARE 'illusions'.

Are there 'illusions'?

If yes, then WHERE are 'they', and, WHAT are 'they', EXACTLY?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm Under these terms reality is a contradiction and as a contradiction is beyond the senses.
But it would NOT MATTER ONE IOTA what ANY one SAID here, you WILL TURN 'it' INTO A 'contradiction'.

This is BECAUSE of what you ALREADY BELIEVE to be ABSOLUTELY True.

And, what this one is doing here is a PERFECT example of 'confirmation bias' AT WORK, in REAL 'time'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm We cannot say what reality is or is not without ending in contradiction.
And 'that' is what this one BELIEVES is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, and so this one can NOT SEE ABSOLUTELY ANY thing else than 'this'.

Also, you USED the words 'this reality' above, as though you KNOW what 'this reality' IS, EXACTLY.

By the way, some of us CAN SAY what 'reality' IS, EXACTLY, and SAY 'it' IN A WAY which FITS IN PERFECTLY with EVERY 'thing' "else".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm And yet this prior statement is a statement about reality thus it contradicts itself.
YES, a GREAT DEAL of what 'you' SAY, and CLAIM, "eodnhoj7", DOES CONTRADICT itself.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm This contradiction exists.
OF COURSE 'contradiction' EXISTS. 'your' WORDS, ALONE, "eodnhoj7", are LIVING PROOF of this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm In reality there is only everything then. And this everything includes all things and conscious experiences as things.
Which ARE, OBVIOUSLY, ALSO 'things'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm In summary my self-refuting argument is a pointer to how little we know of reality.
LOL

'your', LAUGHABLE, so-called 'argument' is NOTHING MORE that just A POINTER, as well as PROOF, of just how LITTLE 'you' KNOW of 'reality', "eodnhoj7".

Although, a LOT of what 'you' SAY does HAVE a LOT of Truth WITHIN 'it' or BEHIND 'it', the WAY 'you' are EXPRESSING 'it', BECAUSE of 'your' ILL-GOTTEN BELIEFS, is just DISTORTING and TWISTING what the ACTUAL REAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY.

Lose the ASSUMING and BELIEVING, then what IS IRREFUTABLY True WILL COME-TO-LIGHT.
1. Thus my arguments against you are part of reality and are not illusionary. You have to accept them as real if you do not want to contradict yourself. But if you accept them then you contradict yourself.

2. Illusions are where ever we see partial truths.

3. You believe that me reverting everything to a contradiction because it is absolutely truth is absolutely true, but contradicting everything contradicts itself thus self negates.

4. My arguments are the result of applying your perspective to its logical end.

5. If you know so much how do you know you know it?
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alan1000 wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:52 pm This is thread is like listening to a sermon on Sunday morning when you have a hangover...
How many times have you done 'that'?
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:31 pm
Age wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:39 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm

If there is only one thing then all illusions are part of this reality thus are no longer illusions.
OBVIOUSLY.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm But then there is an illusion that there are illusions.
ONLY IF one is UNDER the ILLUSION that there ARE 'illusions'.

Are there 'illusions'?

If yes, then WHERE are 'they', and, WHAT are 'they', EXACTLY?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm Under these terms reality is a contradiction and as a contradiction is beyond the senses.
But it would NOT MATTER ONE IOTA what ANY one SAID here, you WILL TURN 'it' INTO A 'contradiction'.

This is BECAUSE of what you ALREADY BELIEVE to be ABSOLUTELY True.

And, what this one is doing here is a PERFECT example of 'confirmation bias' AT WORK, in REAL 'time'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm We cannot say what reality is or is not without ending in contradiction.
And 'that' is what this one BELIEVES is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, and so this one can NOT SEE ABSOLUTELY ANY thing else than 'this'.

Also, you USED the words 'this reality' above, as though you KNOW what 'this reality' IS, EXACTLY.

By the way, some of us CAN SAY what 'reality' IS, EXACTLY, and SAY 'it' IN A WAY which FITS IN PERFECTLY with EVERY 'thing' "else".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm And yet this prior statement is a statement about reality thus it contradicts itself.
YES, a GREAT DEAL of what 'you' SAY, and CLAIM, "eodnhoj7", DOES CONTRADICT itself.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm This contradiction exists.
OF COURSE 'contradiction' EXISTS. 'your' WORDS, ALONE, "eodnhoj7", are LIVING PROOF of this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm In reality there is only everything then. And this everything includes all things and conscious experiences as things.
Which ARE, OBVIOUSLY, ALSO 'things'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm In summary my self-refuting argument is a pointer to how little we know of reality.
LOL

'your', LAUGHABLE, so-called 'argument' is NOTHING MORE that just A POINTER, as well as PROOF, of just how LITTLE 'you' KNOW of 'reality', "eodnhoj7".

Although, a LOT of what 'you' SAY does HAVE a LOT of Truth WITHIN 'it' or BEHIND 'it', the WAY 'you' are EXPRESSING 'it', BECAUSE of 'your' ILL-GOTTEN BELIEFS, is just DISTORTING and TWISTING what the ACTUAL REAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY.

Lose the ASSUMING and BELIEVING, then what IS IRREFUTABLY True WILL COME-TO-LIGHT.
1. Thus my arguments against you are part of reality and are not illusionary.
If that is what you BELIEVE is true, then that is what is true, to you, right?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm You have to accept them as real if you do not want to contradict yourself.
Done this apply to you AS WELL?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm But if you accept them then you contradict yourself.
So, if ANY one accepts that there are some arguments actually existing, then, to you, that one IS contradicting "themself", right?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm 2. Illusions are where ever we see partial truths.
That would all depend on the actual illusion itself.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm 3. You believe that me reverting everything to a contradiction because it is absolutely truth is absolutely true, but contradicting everything contradicts itself thus self negates.
This is OBVIOUSLY False, Wrong, Inaccurate, AND Incorrect.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm 4. My arguments are the result of applying your perspective to its logical end.
If this is what you BELIEVE, then so be 'it'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm 5. If you know so much how do you know you know it?
What happens if I know so little, do you still want to know how I know 'it'?
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