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Sculptor wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:49 pm Snoop Dog is not widely regarded as an expert on the Le Americana.
You demented bot, moron.
Forgiving people are naturally very charitable and hence will appear nice to others. Yet being vengeful on behalf of those who are very forgiving can be flawed because their benevolence is circular.
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Michael McMahon wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:59 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2023 4:49 pm Snoop Dog is not widely regarded as an expert on the Lex Americana.
You demented bot, moron.
Forgiving people are naturally very charitable and hence will appear nice to others. Yet being vengeful on behalf of those who are very forgiving can be flawed because their benevolence is circular.
While it is true that forgiving people are often perceived as charitable and kind, it does not necessarily mean that their benevolence is circular or flawed. Let's break down the statement and address the underlying assumptions.

Forgiving people are naturally charitable: Forgiveness and charity are separate concepts, although they can be connected. Forgiveness is about letting go of anger, resentment, or the desire for revenge toward someone who has wronged you. On the other hand, charity is about extending kindness and assistance to others in need. While forgiving individuals may have a disposition towards showing empathy and understanding, their charitable nature may or may not be directly related to their forgiving behavior. Some forgiving people may also be charitable, while others may not prioritize charity as much.

Forgiving people appear nice to others: Forgiveness can contribute to a person's overall demeanor and how they interact with others. When individuals are forgiving, they tend to hold less animosity, which can make them more approachable and pleasant to be around. However, it is important to note that forgiveness is a personal choice, and it doesn't necessarily dictate a person's entire personality or behavior. People can be forgiving in some instances but exhibit different traits or behaviors in other aspects of their lives.

Vengefulness on behalf of forgiving individuals is flawed: The statement suggests that being vengeful on behalf of forgiving individuals is flawed because their benevolence is circular. It is important to distinguish between forgiving individuals and those who may be seeking revenge on their behalf. While forgiving individuals choose to let go of resentment and move forward, seeking revenge contradicts the spirit of forgiveness. However, it is possible for others to advocate for justice or support the well-being of forgiving individuals without engaging in vengeful actions.

In conclusion, the relationship between forgiveness, charity, and vengefulness is complex. While forgiving people may often exhibit charitable tendencies, it is not a guarantee. Additionally, seeking revenge on behalf of forgiving individuals is not aligned with the principles of forgiveness itself. Each individual's behavior and motivations should be assessed independently, considering their own values and actions.

And, of course this does not change my view that Snoop Doggy Dog is not to be regarded as an expert on the Lex Americana.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:56 pm Forgiving people are naturally charitable
Great point. Far too many vigilantes appear envious of the hedonistic criminals they hate rather than being upset by them.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:56 pm Forgiveness is about letting go of anger, resentment, or the desire for revenge toward someone who has wronged you. On the other hand, charity is about extending kindness and assistance to others in need.
The human pain response doesn’t care about any religion. Hence those who forgive others are self-aware of the pain caused by their grievances. As such people aren’t entitled to be vengeful on behalf of others.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:56 pm While forgiving people may often exhibit charitable tendencies, it is not a guarantee.
One mitigating factor when it comes to marital rape or certain forms of close-in-age paedophilia might be the idea of pre-emptive compensation. In other words a perpetrator can help you before they commit a crime against you where a false charm is still less culpable than there being no charm at all. For example a marital rape could be just as bad as a stranger rape except that the violent spouse might have been kind in other ways. That way a court would still need to ensure the perpetrator still has to redeem themselves for the remaining level of hurt caused. A judge’s sentence isn’t necessarily a bank balance sheet of sins where the promotion of violence is wrong in and of itself.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:56 pm seeking revenge on behalf of forgiving individuals is not aligned with the principles of forgiveness itself.
A Christian way to view a court case is that the crime itself is automatically forgiven. The catch is that any hint of remorselessness would be culpable under the crime of hate speech.
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Michael McMahon wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:53 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:56 pm seeking revenge on behalf of forgiving individuals is not aligned with the principles of forgiveness itself.
A Christian way to view a court case is that the crime itself is automatically forgiven. The catch is that any hint of remorselessness would be culpable under the crime of hate speech.
From a Christian perspective, forgiveness is a central theme. Christians believe that God offers forgiveness to those who genuinely repent and seek it. This forgiveness extends to all sins, including crimes committed by individuals. However, it's important to note that forgiveness does not absolve one from the legal consequences of their actions. In the context of a court case, the legal system is responsible for determining guilt or innocence and imposing appropriate penalties or consequences.

While Christians are called to forgive, they also recognize the importance of justice and accountability. In cases where someone shows no remorse for their actions and engages in hate speech, it may be seen as a reflection of a hardened heart or an unwillingness to change. In such instances, the court system may address the hate speech as a separate offense, considering its potential to incite harm or perpetuate hatred.

It's crucial to understand that the specific details of how forgiveness, justice, and hate speech are handled within a legal context may vary between different jurisdictions and legal systems. Christian perspectives on court cases often emphasize the balance between forgiveness and accountability, with an understanding that forgiveness does not negate the need for legal consequences or address the harm caused by the crime itself.

But of course in practice, especially in the USA Christianity is a hateful creed
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Sculptor wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:25 pm Christian perspectives on court cases often emphasize the balance between forgiveness and accountability, with an understanding that forgiveness does not negate the need for legal consequences or address the harm caused by the crime itself.
I’d a dream not long ago where I was a passenger of a speeding car. Yet I let the driver off the hook so as not to insult his driving skills. The harsh reality is that speeding cars endanger not only other cars and pedestrians but also the passengers in the speeding car. As such there’s a tiny bit of culpability for the passengers if their car hit other people. The culpability of a driver in endangering their passengers is somewhat counterbalanced by the reticence of the passengers. Yet the driver still bears slightly added culpability for speeding with passengers. Unfortunately sometimes a passenger might simply have to demand the vehicle stop to get out and walk or hitchhike for another car.
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Michael McMahon wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 2:55 pm
Sculptor wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:25 pm Christian perspectives on court cases often emphasize the balance between forgiveness and accountability, with an understanding that forgiveness does not negate the need for legal consequences or address the harm caused by the crime itself.
I’d a dream not long ago where I was a passenger of a speeding car. Yet I let the driver off the hook so as not to insult his driving skills. The harsh reality is that speeding cars endanger not only other cars and pedestrians but also the passengers in the speeding car. As such there’s a tiny bit of culpability for the passengers if their car hit other people. The culpability of a driver in endangering their passengers is somewhat counterbalanced by the reticence of the passengers. Yet the driver still bears slightly added culpability for speeding with passengers. Unfortunately sometimes a passenger might simply have to demand the vehicle stop to get out and walk or hitchhike for another car.
Passengers also have a role to play in ensuring their own safety. They can exercise some influence by expressing their concerns or objections to the driver's behavior, especially if they feel endangered by the speeding. However, it is important to note that passengers may not always have control over the driver's actions or decision-making.
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A lot of sexual assaults like molestation and groping don’t leave any bruises. Hence the standard of evidence required in rape charges can be very high where a lighter sentence in exchange for less evidence might be more appropriate.
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Michael McMahon wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2023 5:52 pm A lot of sexual assaults like molestation and groping don’t leave any bruises. Hence the standard of evidence required in rape charges can be very high where a lighter sentence in exchange for less evidence might be more appropriate.
What, we're going to give you a light sentence because we're not sure you did it, sort of thing? :|
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Harbal wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:56 am What, we're going to give you a light sentence because we're not sure you did it, sort of thing? :|
Bruising is slightly culpable but might not be sufficient by itself for a rape conviction when rough sex can be consensual. Nonetheless the intensity and location of any bruises could be aggravating factors.
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The distinction between murder and manslaughter is that of intentionally, which is essential.
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