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You’ve just described, oh I dunno, 50% of parents, these days.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 9:32 pm I was just joking about the mini-me stuff. I'm pretty certain I'm too old and not psychologically all together enough to have a kid.
I understand. There are different takes on this. But part of my reaction here is that the Left has two opposed philosophies here and I am not sure they want to look at this. (I pretty much have always been on the Left, so this isn't sniping from the Right). And, I think, they take one stand when it comes to transissues and another when it comes to religions/spiritualities. Of course, this is a generality. But there is a tendency on the Left to be anti-spiritual, even if they may defend the right to practice (especially non-dominant) religions.Lacewing wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 6:29 pmInteresting.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:17 pm IOW for them sex and gender are aligned, it's just their soul didn't match their birth body
Some people may think souls are male and female? That doesn't seem logical to me... just as a gender for a god doesn't make sense. The gendered human body is just a vehicle. If I were embodied into a car, would I feel more like a Camero than a Toyota? I'm not sure that earthly identities extend beyond the earthly realm.
Yes.. coz pagan and indigenous religions/belief-systems, denote their deities/ancestral-worship with the nomenclature of God or Goddess, to differentiate said deity/ancestor. It ain’t rocket-science!Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:22 amTraditional in the large dominating religions. Less so in other religions. Certainly more complicated in pagan and indigenous religions.
I'm not sure what you mean here. Also are you saying I shouldn't have just reminded people that we not just look at those religions with male deities? Or were you agreeing with me here?MagsJ wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:14 amYes.. coz pagan and indigenous religions/belief-systems, denote their deities/ancestral-worship with the nomenclature of God or Goddess, to differentiate said deity/ancestor. It ain’t rocket-science!Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:22 amTraditional in the large dominating religions. Less so in other religions. Certainly more complicated in pagan and indigenous religions.
I'm not sure what you mean here either.Waiter.. Iwannaplato, of whatever he’s having..
Women have, in past times at least , been incommoded by pregnancy and lactation so they have been dependent on men, men naturally have taken advantage of women's dependency and made them into chattels.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 12:22 amTraditional in the large dominating religions. Less so in other religions. Certainly more complicated in pagan and indigenous religions.
(Marchetti) https://religionnews.com/2021/05/26/pag ... you-think/pagans can’t be broadly categorized, politically speaking. Despite the population being “women-dominated” and some pagan religions being goddess-centered, they “hold no distinctive views on women in the workforce,” Marchetti said, and men actually hold a disproportionate number of positions of authority within pagan organizations.
I figure physical strength has been a core factor.
Well, there are paganisms and indigenous religions where it would be strange to simply say God is male, period. They are often female deities, sometimes as equal counterparts. Pretty much anything can be somehow connected to politics or considered political.Hinduism in India for instance divides people into rigid social classes. As far as Hinduism, I'd consider that one of the large dominating religions. That said, again it would be misleading to describe Hinduism as considering the deity masculine, period.Is there any pagan or indigenous religion that is not politicised?
(Marchetti) https://religionnews.com/2021/05/26/pag ... you-think/pagans can’t be broadly categorized, politically speaking. Despite the population being “women-dominated” and some pagan religions being goddess-centered, they “hold no distinctive views on women in the workforce,” Marchetti said, and men actually hold a disproportionate number of positions of authority within pagan organizations.
OK, it seems like you are saying that pagan religions are not free from sexism or something like that. I didn't say they were.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:34 pmI figure physical strength has been a core factor.Well, there are paganisms and indigenous religions where it would be strange to simply say God is male, period. They are often female deities, sometimes as equal counterparts. Pretty much anything can be somehow connected to politics or considered political.Hinduism in India for instance divides people into rigid social classes. As far as Hinduism, I'd consider that one of the large dominating religions. That said, again it would be misleading to describe Hinduism as considering the deity masculine, period.Is there any pagan or indigenous religion that is not politicised?
(Marchetti) https://religionnews.com/2021/05/26/pag ... you-think/pagans can’t be broadly categorized, politically speaking. Despite the population being “women-dominated” and some pagan religions being goddess-centered, they “hold no distinctive views on women in the workforce,” Marchetti said, and men actually hold a disproportionate number of positions of authority within pagan organizations.
Of course. It matters to me and I'm a man. I can only imagine it would be even more important to women. I don't think I've said anything against God having a female gender or that people shouldn't care about the issue. I mentioned indigenous religions many perhaps most have female goddesses often as partners or counterparts to a male God or gods.
Yes, I know pagans have female counterparts to the male god, and that is a point worth making. Even Xianity has the Virgin Mary. But my point is religions become politics and males are predominantly the bosses even in paganism, which is exceptionally female-friendly.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:57 pmOf course. It matters to me and I'm a man. I can only imagine it would be even more important to women. I don't think I've said anything against God having a female gender or that people shouldn't care about the issue. I mentioned indigenous religions many perhaps most have female goddesses often as partners or counterparts to a male God or gods.
I think many developed nations have come a long way in acknowledging the ability of women to do most tasks as equally or, in some cases, perhaps even better than men do. There are females present in politics now. There are females in the military. I myself have spent most of my work life responding to the dictates of female bosses in the work place. There are lots of females in academics now. You gals seem to me to be doing pretty well. But if you don't value men, then what's the point?Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:30 amYes, I know pagans have female counterparts to the male god, and that is a point worth making. Even Xianity has the Virgin Mary. But my point is religions become politics and males are predominantly the bosses even in paganism, which is exceptionally female-friendly.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:57 pmOf course. It matters to me and I'm a man. I can only imagine it would be even more important to women. I don't think I've said anything against God having a female gender or that people shouldn't care about the issue. I mentioned indigenous religions many perhaps most have female goddesses often as partners or counterparts to a male God or gods.
That is true, and the less conservative religious sects are occasionally calling God "she" and "it".Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:24 pmI think many developed nations have come a long way in acknowledging the ability of women to do most tasks as equally or, in some cases, perhaps even better than men do. There are females present in politics now. There are females in the military. I myself have spent most of my work life responding to the dictates of female bosses in the work place. There are lots of females in academics now. You gals seem to me to be doing pretty well. But if you don't value men, then what's the point?Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 1:30 amYes, I know pagans have female counterparts to the male god, and that is a point worth making. Even Xianity has the Virgin Mary. But my point is religions become politics and males are predominantly the bosses even in paganism, which is exceptionally female-friendly.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 10:57 pm
Of course. It matters to me and I'm a man. I can only imagine it would be even more important to women. I don't think I've said anything against God having a female gender or that people shouldn't care about the issue. I mentioned indigenous religions many perhaps most have female goddesses often as partners or counterparts to a male God or gods.