The "Thing"/"nothing" model is incorrect

[roydop]

The strictly materialistic, dualistic, and antagonistic "thing"/"nothing" model presented by the English language, is incorrect. The "thing"/"nothing" model is rife with paradox and these paradoxes are flashing "ERROR" signs

This points out the problem and then fixes it:

https://www.nonconceptuality.org/1-fund ... of-reality

[iambiguous]

The strictly materialistic, dualistic, and antagonistic "thing"/"nothing" model presented by the English language, is incorrect. The "thing"/"nothing" model is rife with paradox and these paradoxes are flashing "ERROR" signs

This points out the problem and then fixes it:

https://www.nonconceptuality.org/1-fund ... of-reality

How about this...

You connect the dots existentially between the message encompassed in the link above and, say, the morality of abortion, the earthquake in Turkey and Syria, the war in Ukraine, IC's Christian God, AJ's theories regarding race, my own assumptions regarding dasein here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529

Given a particular context.

[roydop]

The strictly materialistic, dualistic, and antagonistic "thing"/"nothing" model presented by the English language, is incorrect. The "thing"/"nothing" model is rife with paradox and these paradoxes are flashing "ERROR" signs

This points out the problem and then fixes it:

https://www.nonconceptuality.org/1-fund ... of-reality

How about this...

You connect the dots existentially between the message encompassed in the link above and, say, the morality of abortion, the earthquake in Turkey and Syria, the war in Ukraine, IC's Christian God, AJ's theories regarding race, my own assumptions regarding dasein here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529

Given a particular context.

The message is that you are God that has forgotten such due to the attention placed on the appearances (duality) of thoughts and sensations.

Abortion, the earthquake in Turkey and Syria, the war in Ukraine, IC's Christian God, AJ's theories regarding race, my own assumptions, are all aspects of this Divine game, and as such are as unsubstantial as is the playing of a game. This all looks so real and feels so important due to the degree of attention one gives to thought.

Transcend thought and the illusion is seen through

[Dontaskme]

The message is that you are God that has forgotten such due to the attention placed on the appearances (duality) of thoughts and sensations.

Abortion, the earthquake in Turkey and Syria, the war in Ukraine, IC's Christian God, AJ's theories regarding race, my own assumptions, are all aspects of this Divine game, and as such are as unsubstantial as is the playing of a game. This all looks so real and feels so important due to the degree of attention one gives to thought.

Transcend thought and the illusion is seen through

It doesn't matter if God has forgotten God is God. Also, even God itself cannot for the life of it know how it got off it's own starting block. So even God does not know it is God. There is simply HERE ..Nothing knowing itself.
How can nothing not know itself?...it cannot, because there is no such thing as nothing. So there must be just Everything, and Everything is NEVER not here. Here is unknowing, only known as it is conceived as and through ''thoughts'' that appear to maketh thoughts into things which are just frozen thoughts. Niether Dead not Alive.


Everything, which is just another word for God, has no beginning nor ending. So even God can never be known by God. Why, because that would require two Gods, one being (the knower) and the other one being (the known)

Also, it doesn't matter whether God has forgotten, it's only God forgetting, or remembering anyway. If God knows itself absolutely, then it simply would not careless whether it forgets or remembers anything, as one simply cannot just forget one is absolutely. One can only be always infinitely all forms and absolutely unchanged for eternity, many of the one always.

There is nothing wrong or incorrect about what can only be this indivisible reality, except in the illusory conception/ as a word.



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[Skepdick]

The strictly materialistic, dualistic, and antagonistic "thing"/"nothing" model presented by the English language, is incorrect.

The correct/incorrect, dualistic and antagonistic model is incorrect.

[Dontaskme]

The strictly materialistic, dualistic, and antagonistic "thing"/"nothing" model presented by the English language, is incorrect. The "thing"/"nothing" model is rife with paradox and these paradoxes are flashing "ERROR" signs

This points out the problem and then fixes it:

https://www.nonconceptuality.org/1-fund ... of-reality

You are trying to wipe away blood using blood. Concepts are simply not interested in whether they are or are not. No more than the body is interested in being or not being, the body simply is without doubt or error.

The body never tells itself it forgot to be a body today.



Concepts are fixed in this conception, they cannot be made to appear as if they are non-concepts.
There is no such thing as a non-conceptual thing. Even the concept ''Nothing'' / ''Thing'' is a concept.

Concepts ARE without doubt or error.

[iambiguous]

The strictly materialistic, dualistic, and antagonistic "thing"/"nothing" model presented by the English language, is incorrect. The "thing"/"nothing" model is rife with paradox and these paradoxes are flashing "ERROR" signs

This points out the problem and then fixes it:

https://www.nonconceptuality.org/1-fund ... of-reality

How about this...

You connect the dots existentially between the message encompassed in the link above and, say, the morality of abortion, the earthquake in Turkey and Syria, the war in Ukraine, IC's Christian God, AJ's theories regarding race, my own assumptions regarding dasein here: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529

Given a particular context.

The message is that you are God that has forgotten such due to the attention placed on the appearances (duality) of thoughts and sensations.

Abortion, the earthquake in Turkey and Syria, the war in Ukraine, IC's Christian God, AJ's theories regarding race, my own assumptions, are all aspects of this Divine game, and as such are as unsubstantial as is the playing of a game. This all looks so real and feels so important due to the degree of attention one gives to thought.

Transcend thought and the illusion is seen through

Right. And I can imagine you at an abortion clinic or among the survivors of the earthquake or in war-torn Ukraine explaining this "Divine game" to the folks there.

Though, sure, what exactly would you say to them? How would you go about transcending your own thoughts there?

How would you go about convincing them that your own assessment of the human condition here is not just something that you "thought up" in your head? Something basically predicated not on the lives that they actually live, but on how you have come to understand the meaning of the words in the assessment itself? Just as others here will choose an assessment revolving around what they have "thought up" or been indoctrinated to believe about one or another God or one or another political ideology or one or another philosophical school of thought?

[Iwannaplato]

The strictly materialistic, dualistic, and antagonistic "thing"/"nothing" model presented by the English language, is incorrect. The "thing"/"nothing" model is rife with paradox and these paradoxes are flashing "ERROR" signs

This points out the problem and then fixes it:

https://www.nonconceptuality.org/1-fund ... of-reality

Some errors in the essay.
1) Thing is not presented as the fundamental constituent of reality. Languages are not monolithic models of reality. They include all sorts of models. They are diverse and not tightly organized.
2) 'Some' is not plural. It represents an unknown quality. (Some idiot took my rake. Some lucky guy is going to get to marry you.) Yes, it can ALSO be used as a plural determiner.
3) 'Nothing' is generally used and was originally used to mean nothing relevent, nothing that we could find. You can't treat language like some kind of failed math equation. Language is filled with tropes and approximations, it is not always literal.
4) You then claim that thing is necessarily materialistic. Nope. It can be happily used by people to mean non-material things. I think there is a ghost in there. I checked, there's nothing there. (meaning, nothing that would make noises like a ghost including a ghost) Language is flexible and yes, contains all sorts of contradictions because, get this, words change meaning in different contexts. Further the word itself meant fairly abstract things, to do with assemblies and court cases. IOW yes with physical but also conceptual components.
5) You call this the fundamental model of reality in English. But you have no ground for assuming that thing words are fundamental. English also includes words for all sorts of things considered non-material. And, again, English does not have one model running in it. It has dualisms (I mean, look at your own chart in the essay, with a nice set of dualisms ALL IN ENGLISH). Spirit vs. Matter goes way back. There are all sorts of models and metaphors built into English (and other languages). Materialism is not a dualism, it's a monism.
6) I found the next section almost unintelligible. If this is meant as an argument, it is missing many, many steps. If it is meant as an inspiring sermon of some kind, it doesn't contradict that category, but it needs to be clearer.

So far we are finding this mixed set of models useful.

[popeye1945]

The "Thing/nothing", model is incorrect.

Nothing is understood by most as no object, that which is unmanifested, and thing is or should be understood as energy that is manifested through biological consciousness to become thing/object. Just as there is no sound or color in the physical world, so there are no objects, they become manifest by the same means as sound and color through the consciousness of organisms subjected to given energies.