When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

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Veritas Aequitas
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When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

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Hoffman's Interface Theory of Perception [ITP]
"A spoon exists only when perceived.
Ditto for quarks and stars."
Hoffman's thesis with a Darwinian spin is, evolution shaped human for payoffs not to see the truth.
In fact if the truth were pursued the human species in the "then to present phase" could be extinct.

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In Chapter 5:
The Case Against Reality: Why Evolution Hide the Truth from Our Eyes
DONALD HOFFMAN

Evolution has shaped our perceptions with symbols, like a streaking green dot or a biohazard triangle, that warn us and guide us without depicting the Truth.

ITP predicts another head scratcher: a spoon exists only when perceived.
Ditto for quarks and stars.
For spoons, quarks, and stars, Interface Theory of Perception agrees with the eighteenth-century philosopher George Berkeley that esse is percipi—to be is to be perceived

Image
When you view the line drawing in the middle,

you sometimes see a cube with face A in front, as shown on the left side of the figure.
Call it Cube A.

Other times you see a cube with face B in front, as shown on the right side of the figure.
Call it Cube B.

Now consider this question:
Which cube is there in the middle when you don’t look?
Cube A or Cube B?

Well, it makes no sense to pick one over the other.
Sometimes, when you look, you see cube A, sometimes cube B.
The answer must be that, when you don’t look, there is no cube—neither A nor B.
Each time you look you see the cube you happen to construct at that time.
When you look away, it goes away.

ITP says that the same is true for all Objects in Space and Time.
If you look and see a spoon, then there is a spoon.
But as soon as you look away, the spoon ceases to exist.
Something continues to exist, but it is not a spoon and is not in Space and Time.
The spoon is a data structure that you create when you interact with that something.
It is your description of Fitness payoffs and how to get them.

This may seem preposterous.
After all, if I put a spoon on the table then everyone in the room will agree that there is a spoon.
Surely the only way to explain such consensus is to accept the obvious—that there is a real spoon, which everyone sees.

But there is another way to explain our consensus: we all construct our icons in similar ways.
As members of one species, we share an interface (which varies a bit from person to person).
Whatever Reality might be, when we interact with it we all construct similar icons, because we all have similar needs, and similar methods for acquiring Fitness payoffs.
This is the reason we each see a cube in Fig. [the Image above]—we each construct our own cube, but in much the same way as everybody else.
The cube I see is distinct from the cube you see.
I may see cube A at the same time you see cube B.
There is no need to posit a real cube that everyone sees, and that exists when no one observes.

Indeed, there is no need to posit any Physical Object, or a SpaceTime, that exists when no one observes.
Space and Time themselves are simply the format of our interface, and Physical Objects are icons that we create on the fly as we attend to different options for collecting Fitness payoffs.
Objects are not preexisting entities that force themselves upon our Senses.
They are solutions to the problem of reaping more payoffs than the competition, from the multitude of payoffs on offer.

This is a new way of thinking about Objects.
We create them quickly, as needed, to solve Fitness-gathering problems, and dispense with them just as quickly when they have, for the moment, served their purpose.
They are not optimal solutions for grabbing payoffs, just satisficing solutions that let us nab a tad more than the competition.

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Re: When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

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Each and every percept existed and can't be un-existed.
Perceptual transience as illustrated by your cubes example is a function of change.
The reason that existence relative to change, and absolute existence, seem to be mutually inconsistent is that there are at least two aspects of reality. We know two of these aspects of reality: changing and absolute/eternal.
We know the aspect from time and space existence, and we know the aspect from eternal existence. Reality may have many, perhaps uncountable, aspects.
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Re: When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

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Fascinating stuff and I'm pretty sure this has been proven to be the case. Each of us is seeing our own version of 'the spoon' and our 'particular spoon' ceases to exist when we aren't observing it. We can think about it, but it's only an approximation of the spoon.
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Re: When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

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When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

Well for a starter, there is no 'you' as the 'individual' that is looking or is the looker. The 'individual' is the looked upon.

There is here, only empty Looking.

In Looking (empty) - I am the looked upon (full)

Both the looker and the looked upon are the same one existence.
Therefore, existence can never not exist.
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Re: When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

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Existence is the co-presence of the subject and the object.
That is, it is the event of facing.

Therefore it makes no sense to hypothesize an existence without the subject. Even that hypothesizing is still existence.

Different is being, which is what allows existence.
It is upstream of the subject-object split, therefore it does not exist. For that reason the thing-in-itself, the noumenon does not exist.

The fact that a new look confirms the existence of the spoon demonstrates the coherence of existence.
Which is essentially the law of cause and effect.
Existence has all its meaning in this law.

However, the law of cause and effect cannot be proved.
And if we try to investigate it… it just fades into non-existence.

Because its origin is either lost in infinity, which does not exist, or in randomness, which also does not exist.

Chance does not belong to existence: it is not a possible event of the subject-object.

In fact, a truly random event would dissolve existence.
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Re: When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

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You can start with the above, and eventually get around to this...

Why something instead of nothing?
Why this something and not something else?
Where does the human condition fit into the whole understanding of this particular something itself?
What of solipsism, sim worlds, dream worlds, the Matrix?
What of the multiverse?
What of God?


Or, sure, ponder instead whether the House of Representatives will ever have a Speaker.
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Re: When You Don't Look, Does it Exists?

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when one perceives, all that "exists" is a current perception

the positing of an "external" world is a leap of faith

-Imp
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