Theism Soothes the Existential Angst

[Veritas Aequitas]

It is impossible for God to exists as real.

1. An Existential Angst exists as real in ALL humans.
2. Theism [God is Real] relieves and soothes the Existential Angst immediately.
3. For majority of theists, God must exists as Real [absolutely perfect]

P1. God [is real], must exists imperatively as absolutely perfect
P2. Absolute perfection is an impossibility to be real
C. Therefore it is impossible for God to exists as real.

For details re P1 & P2 [labelled differently] see;
Impossible for God to exists as real.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704

3. For majority of theists, God must exists as Real [absolutely perfect]:
otherwise, there is no God to suppress the inherent existential angst and one will suffer the terrible mental angsts, pains and sufferings.

Most theists will deny point 1,2 and 3 above, because it is not obvious to them; the reason is the existential angst is suppressed by inhibitors* at the conscious level, but very active at the subliminal levels of the mind.
It is the subliminal impulses that drive the majority to theism.
* at times the inhibitors are weaken and one is made conscious of the existential crisis but for normal people, this goes away quickly; this suppression is necessary for humans to lead a normal life without consciously worrying at all times and being paralyzed by it.

[Iwannaplato]

One has to wonder, if the idea of God was created to soothe angst, so many theists believe in Hell and/or call themselves God fearing and do seem quite afraid of God? Sure, death is scary, but the idea of being tortured for all eternity??????

And oddly it is the more advanced religions that have the scariest deities.

Further it couldn't have been the scientific FSK that led to VA's conclusions. Something less credible it was then. Perhaps a kind of global mindreading on his part.

[Dontaskme]

Every word that comes out of your trap is designed to trap you into some falsely believed sense of separation, a cunningly designed system that does not exist in the real world, the world made up of unknowing consciousness which you are never separated from. Non-talking sentient creatures are exempt from this false imagined narrative artificially known as knowledge.

Life in and of itself, is not imagined, every thing else is imagined.

[Sculptor]

It is impossible for God to exists as real.

1. An Existential Angst exists as real in ALL humans.

False.
It is simply beyond your scope or the scope of any human to be able to attribute a mental characteristic to all others.
You are just projecting your own feelings onto others.

2. Theism [God is Real] relieves and soothes the Existential Angst immediately.

Where such an angst exists Theism might help. But not in all cases.

3. For all theists, God must exists as Real [absolutely perfect]

P1. God [is real], must exists imperatively as absolutely perfect

You do not understand the meaning of imperative.
So wrong again.

P2. Absolute perfection is an impossibility to be real

Define: perfect
define; real
Theism is not necessarily about perfection.

C. Therefore it is impossible for God to exists as real.

Conclusion not met.

For details re P1 & P2 [labelled differently] see;
Impossible for God to exists as real.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704

3. For all theists, God must exists as Real [absolutely perfect]:
otherwise, there is no God to suppress the inherent existential angst and one will suffer the terrible mental angsts, pains and sufferings.

Most theists will deny point 1,2 and 3 above, because it is not obvious to them; the reason is the existential angst is suppressed by inhibitors* at the conscious level, but very active at the subliminal levels of the mind.
It is the subliminal impulses that drive the majority to theism.
* at times the inhibitors are weaken and one is made conscious of the existential crisis but for normal people, this goes away quickly; this suppression is necessary for humans to lead a normal life without consciously worrying at all times and being paralyzed by it.

[Veritas Aequitas]

It is impossible for God to exists as real.

1. An Existential Angst exists as real in ALL humans.

False.
It is simply beyond your scope or the scope of any human to be able to attribute a mental characteristic to all others.
You are just projecting your own feelings onto others.

2. Theism [God is Real] relieves and soothes the Existential Angst immediately.

Where such an angst exists Theism might help. But not in all cases.

I have a specific meaning for existential angst or existential crisis as related to the 'death anxiety' which generate terrible fears consciously and subliminally arising from the following facts;

1. It is a fact all humans are 'programed' with terrible fears upon the awareness any impending threat of death, so that such fears will trigger one to survive either by fight or flight. If this is not a fact, humans would have gone extinct long ago like the Dodo. This is so evident and difficult to deny for any normal person.

2. It is also a fact all humans are 'programmed' with self-awareness that they are mortal and morality is inevitable [of no escape] which in a way a subtle threat. This unavoidable fact will trigger fears consciously at times and continuously generate fears subliminally all the time.

3. With 1 and 2, there is a cognitive dissonance upon the two opposing unavoidable facts above and a state of existential angst or crisis is generated within the human psyche at times and all the time subliminally.

Note the majority of humans on Earth, i.e. >80% are theists as a result of the above existential crisis pulsating at the subliminal level of their mind.

I did not claim all humans will resort to theism just because ALL humans has an inherent existential crisis.

It is also a fact, the impulses of the existential crisis is naturally general inhibited at the conscious level for all humans most of the time, else they would be paralyzed with conscious fears and will not be able to live normally.

It is the subliminal impulses of the existential crisis that drive the majority into theism.

There is obviously a minority of people who did not resort to theism to deal with the inherent existential crisis but resort to non-theistic means.
Some adopt non-theistic spiritual development to deal with the existential crisis, e.g. Buddhism and the likes.

Those who are not theists and where their existential crisis is strong at the subliminal levels, that drive them into taking various drugs, hallucinogens, pain killers, habits, crimes etc.to soothe the subliminal pains from the existential angst which generate negativities to their well-being and that of humanity.

3. For all theists, God must exists as Real [absolutely perfect]

P1. God [is real], must exists imperatively as absolutely perfect

You do not understand the meaning of imperative.
So wrong again.

Imperative: of vital importance; crucial.

What is wrong with that?

P2. Absolute perfection is an impossibility to be real

Define: perfect
define; real
Theism is not necessarily about perfection.

Unfortunately you are ignorant on this;

Descartes’ ontological (or a priori) argument is both one of the most fascinating and poorly understood aspects of his philosophy. Fascination with the argument stems from the effort to prove God’s existence from simple but powerful premises. Existence is derived immediately from the clear and distinct idea of a supremely perfect being.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/desc ... tological/

The God of Christianity and Islam comprising the majority of theists is fundamentally claimed to be absolutely perfect [in power, morality and other features] so no other gods can do a one-up on them, thus such a God would have the ability to create the universe, grant eternal life and set the moral standard.

C. Therefore it is impossible for God to exists as real.

Conclusion not met.

Its QED with the subsequent explanations.

For details re P1 & P2 [labelled differently] see;
Impossible for God to exists as real.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704

3. For all theists, God must exists as Real [absolutely perfect]:
otherwise, there is no God to suppress the inherent existential angst and one will suffer the terrible mental angsts, pains and sufferings.

Most theists will deny point 1,2 and 3 above, because it is not obvious to them; the reason is the existential angst is suppressed by inhibitors* at the conscious level, but very active at the subliminal levels of the mind.
It is the subliminal impulses that drive the majority to theism.
* at times the inhibitors are weaken and one is made conscious of the existential crisis but for normal people, this goes away quickly; this suppression is necessary for humans to lead a normal life without consciously worrying at all times and being paralyzed by it.

[Sculptor]

It is impossible for God to exists as real.

1. An Existential Angst exists as real in ALL humans.

False.
It is simply beyond your scope or the scope of any human to be able to attribute a mental characteristic to all others.
You are just projecting your own feelings onto others.

2. Theism [God is Real] relieves and soothes the Existential Angst immediately.

Where such an angst exists Theism might help. But not in all cases.

I have a specific meaning for existential angst or existential crisis as related to the 'death anxiety' which generate terrible fears consciously and subliminally arising from the following facts;

1. It is a fact all humans are 'programed' with terrible fears upon the awareness any impending threat of death, so that such fears will trigger one to survive either by fight or flight. If this is not a fact, humans would have gone extinct long ago like the Dodo. This is so evident and difficult to deny for any normal person.

2. It is also a fact all humans are 'programmed' with self-awareness that they are mortal and morality is inevitable [of no escape] which in a way a subtle threat. This unavoidable fact will trigger fears consciously at times and continuously generate fears subliminally all the time.

3. With 1 and 2, there is a cognitive dissonance upon the two opposing unavoidable facts above and a state of existential angst or crisis is generated within the human psyche at times and all the time subliminally.

Note the majority of humans on Earth, i.e. >80% are theists as a result of the above existential crisis pulsating at the subliminal level of their mind.

I did not claim all humans will resort to theism just because ALL humans has an inherent existential crisis.

It is also a fact, the impulses of the existential crisis is naturally general inhibited at the conscious level for all humans most of the time, else they would be paralyzed with conscious fears and will not be able to live normally.

It is the subliminal impulses of the existential crisis that drive the majority into theism.

There is obviously a minority of people who did not resort to theism to deal with the inherent existential crisis but resort to non-theistic means.
Some adopt non-theistic spiritual development to deal with the existential crisis, e.g. Buddhism and the likes.

Those who are not theists and where their existential crisis is strong at the subliminal levels, that drive them into taking various drugs, hallucinogens, pain killers, habits, crimes etc.to soothe the subliminal pains from the existential angst which generate negativities to their well-being and that of humanity.

None of this can be used for your excessively, and dogmatically superlative claim.
You claim is beyond what is evident to you or anyone else.

3. For all theists, God must exists as Real [absolutely perfect]

P1. God [is real], must exists imperatively as absolutely perfect

You do not understand the meaning of imperative.
So wrong again.

Imperative: of vital importance; crucial.

What is wrong with that?

You are saying it is important, what you want to say is that it is necessary.

P2. Absolute perfection is an impossibility to be real

Define: perfect
define; real
Theism is not necessarily about perfection.

Unfortunately you are ignorant on this;

No I am not since many theists make no claim to perfection.
This is your biggest problem throughout your contributions to this Forum.
You tend to exaggerate your claims to the nth degree. You think in black and white and absolutes.
This only means that you are always wrong about pretty much everything you say.
You can't seem to help yourself.

Descartes’ ontological (or a priori) argument is both one of the most fascinating and poorly understood aspects of his philosophy. Fascination with the argument stems from the effort to prove God’s existence from simple but powerful premises. Existence is derived immediately from the clear and distinct idea of a supremely perfect being.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/desc ... tological/

Seriously??
ONE man's view of god, and you are claiming that for all theists. You are an idiot.

The God of Christianity and Islam comprising the majority of theists is fundamentally claimed to be absolutely perfect [in power, morality and other features] so no other gods can do a one-up on them, thus such a God would have the ability to create the universe, grant eternal life and set the moral standard.

C. Therefore it is impossible for God to exists as real.

Conclusion not met.

Its QED with the subsequent explanations.

For details re P1 & P2 [labelled differently] see;
Impossible for God to exists as real.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704

3. For all theists, God must exists as Real [absolutely perfect]:
otherwise, there is no God to suppress the inherent existential angst and one will suffer the terrible mental angsts, pains and sufferings.

Most theists will deny point 1,2 and 3 above, because it is not obvious to them; the reason is the existential angst is suppressed by inhibitors* at the conscious level, but very active at the subliminal levels of the mind.
It is the subliminal impulses that drive the majority to theism.
* at times the inhibitors are weaken and one is made conscious of the existential crisis but for normal people, this goes away quickly; this suppression is necessary for humans to lead a normal life without consciously worrying at all times and being paralyzed by it.

[Veritas Aequitas]

No I am not since many theists make no claim to perfection.
This is your biggest problem throughout your contributions to this Forum.
You tend to exaggerate your claims to the nth degree. You think in black and white and absolutes.
This only means that you are always wrong about pretty much everything you say.
You can't seem to help yourself.

I agree "ALL theists" is not correct in this case; I have edited the OP to 'majority of theists' which comprised of Christians and Muslims whose religion claims their God is perfect.

Show me proofs where I have exaggerated to the nth degree and I will correct it if I am wrong.

Descartes’ ontological (or a priori) argument is both one of the most fascinating and poorly understood aspects of his philosophy. Fascination with the argument stems from the effort to prove God’s existence from simple but powerful premises. Existence is derived immediately from the clear and distinct idea of a supremely perfect being.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/desc ... tological/

Seriously??
ONE man's view of god, and you are claiming that for all theists. You are an idiot.

You are the ignorant bastard in this case.
I had followed up with the following post;

The God of Christianity and Islam comprising the majority of theists is fundamentally claimed to be absolutely perfect [in power, morality and other features] so no other gods can do a one-up on them, thus such a God would have the ability to create the universe, grant eternal life and set the moral standard.

Here are quotes from the Bible;
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48).

As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him (Psalm 18:30).

Re Islam:

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/247961/ ... ortcomings

Question: Hello, does the Quran state that Allah is perfect? If not, do Muslims believe that Allah I perfect?
Answer:
The Muslims are unanimously agreed in their belief that Allah, may He be exalted, is possessed of the utmost perfection and that He is above all shortcomings, no matter how small or insignificant. All the Muslim scholars have ascribed absolute perfection to Allah, may He be exalted,

By examining the texts of the Holy Quran, we find that Allah, may He be exalted, has described Himself with attributes of perfection.

I seldom hear of the Hindu God Brahman as 'perfect' but Brahman is definitely the Absolute which can be interpreted to cover perfection.

You're an ignorant Bastard.

[attofishpi]

Theism Soothes the Existential Angst

You have proved that you are an idiot when it comes to philosophy so why don't you sooooooothe your existential angst and FUCK OFF?

[Veritas Aequitas]

Theism Soothes the Existential Angst

You have proved that you are an idiot when it comes to philosophy so why don't you sooooooothe your existential angst and FUCK OFF?

An idiot is one who do not justify his diarrhoea-of-the mouth with arguments.
Your angry response is merely a fight [not flight] impulse to soothe your existential angst.
If you were a Muslim you would likely kill me as sanctioned by Allah - that how dangerous is the existential crisis for theists.

As with most theists, you cannot handle the fact that you will die inevitably [that is very painful subliminally] so you resort to God based on faith as a crutch to soothe that existential crisis; this is activated subliminally.

When you perceive that someone or a group of people are trying to saw off your crutch, you are in terror thus the angry response [no arguments] or if necessary to kill off the threat.

[Sculptor]

No I am not since many theists make no claim to perfection.
This is your biggest problem throughout your contributions to this Forum.
You tend to exaggerate your claims to the nth degree. You think in black and white and absolutes.
This only means that you are always wrong about pretty much everything you say.
You can't seem to help yourself.

I agree "ALL theists" is not correct in this case; I have edited the OP to 'majority of theists' which comprised of Christians and Muslims whose religion claims their God is perfect.

Show me proofs where I have exaggerated to the nth degree and I will correct it if I am wrong.

That would take you a very long time.

Descartes’ ontological (or a priori) argument is both one of the most fascinating and poorly understood aspects of his philosophy. Fascination with the argument stems from the effort to prove God’s existence from simple but powerful premises. Existence is derived immediately from the clear and distinct idea of a supremely perfect being.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/desc ... tological/

Seriously??
ONE man's view of god, and you are claiming that for all theists. You are an idiot.

You are the ignorant bastard in this case.
I had followed up with the following post;

The God of Christianity and Islam comprising the majority of theists is fundamentally claimed to be absolutely perfect [in power, morality and other features] so no other gods can do a one-up on them, thus such a God would have the ability to create the universe, grant eternal life and set the moral standard.

Where is your evidence?
Most people do not even think about god in detail. For most people it is a vague idea something so do with creation.
Mostly people are too busy to care.
And the main reason people are Christians is not because of angst, or worry or fear. It is because they are brought up that way. From the earliest age they have it stuffed into them, unquestioningly. That is why type of religion correlates directly to place of birth more than any other factor.
People just grow up with the assumptions and myth of their culture.
You can rationalise all you like but generally people grow up with a set of unexamined beliefs and exceptionalisms and when challenged usually go on the defensive rather than unpack their delusions.

Here are quotes from the Bible;
Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48).

As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him (Psalm 18:30).

Re Islam:

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/247961/ ... ortcomings

Question: Hello, does the Quran state that Allah is perfect? If not, do Muslims believe that Allah I perfect?
Answer:
The Muslims are unanimously agreed in their belief that Allah, may He be exalted, is possessed of the utmost perfection and that He is above all shortcomings, no matter how small or insignificant. All the Muslim scholars have ascribed absolute perfection to Allah, may He be exalted,

By examining the texts of the Holy Quran, we find that Allah, may He be exalted, has described Himself with attributes of perfection.

I seldom hear of the Hindu God Brahman as 'perfect' but Brahman is definitely the Absolute which can be interpreted to cover perfection.

You're an ignorant Bastard.

Most Christians do not know these quotes from the bible and so not care. Same is true for other religions.

It is your delusion that you think people care about the logical examination of god, they do not.

So go and fuck yourself. It is you that is ignorant.

[Dontaskme]

Theism Soothes the Existential Angst

You have proved that you are an idiot when it comes to philosophy so why don't you sooooooothe your existential angst and FUCK OFF?

Why don't you stop telling people to fuck off. Other people are allowed to have their opinion just as you have yours, idiot.

[Dontaskme]

Theism Soothes the Existential Angst

You have proved that you are an idiot when it comes to philosophy so why don't you sooooooothe your existential angst and FUCK OFF?

An idiot is one who do not justify his diarrhoea-of-the mouth with arguments.
Your angry response is merely a fight [not flight] impulse to soothe your existential angst.
If you were a Muslim you would likely kill me as sanctioned by Allah - that how dangerous is the existential crisis for theists.

As with most theists, you cannot handle the fact that you will die inevitably [that is very painful subliminally] so you resort to God based on faith as a crutch to soothe that existential crisis; this is activated subliminally.

When you perceive that someone or a group of people are trying to saw off your crutch, you are in terror thus the angry response [no arguments] or if necessary to kill off the threat.

You VA are more than within your human rights to hold the opinion you do in regard to the human condition known as Existential Angst.

I agree with your opinion. Also, it is common knowledge that religion was born out of the fear of death. Humans are taught to be religious by someone else, they are NEVER born religious, so their belief is subtly acquiesce and always about something they can never be certain of, but will go along with it because it's a soothing balm to their otherwise not-knowingness, which they prefer not to have. Even though they know deep down that uncertainty is the only certainty.

[attofishpi]

You have proved that you are an idiot when it comes to philosophy so why don't you sooooooothe your existential angst and FUCK OFF?

An idiot is one who do not justify his diarrhoea-of-the mouth with arguments.
Your angry response is merely a fight [not flight] impulse to soothe your existential angst.
If you were a Muslim you would likely kill me as sanctioned by Allah - that how dangerous is the existential crisis for theists.

As with most theists, you cannot handle the fact that you will die inevitably [that is very painful subliminally] so you resort to God based on faith as a crutch to soothe that existential crisis; this is activated subliminally.

When you perceive that someone or a group of people are trying to saw off your crutch, you are in terror thus the angry response [no arguments] or if necessary to kill off the threat.

You VA are more than within your human rights to hold the opinion you do in regard to the human condition known as Existential Angst.

I agree with your opinion. Also, it is common knowledge that religion was born out of the fear of death. Humans are taught to be religious by someone else, they are NEVER born religious, so their belief is subtly acquiesce and always about something they can never be certain of, but will go along with it because it's a soothing balm to their otherwise not-knowingness, which they prefer not to have. Even though they know deep down that uncertainty is the only certainty.

Really? You agree with him? So where am I soooothing some 'existential angst' from a 'FEAR or DEATH' - when I have REQUESTED to GOD that I be DEAD FOR THE REST OF ETERNITY..???

Idiots.

[attofishpi]

Theism Soothes the Existential Angst

You have proved that you are an idiot when it comes to philosophy so why don't you sooooooothe your existential angst and FUCK OFF?

An idiot is one who do not justify his diarrhoea-of-the mouth with arguments.
Your angry response is merely a fight [not flight] impulse to soothe your existential angst.
If you were a Muslim you would likely kill me as sanctioned by Allah - that how dangerous is the existential crisis for theists.

As with most theists, you cannot handle the fact that you will die inevitably [that is very painful subliminally] so you resort to God based on faith as a crutch to soothe that existential crisis; this is activated subliminally.

Oh, ok.

So HOW does believing that after death I might burn in Hell forever for hiccuping too many times, somehow soooooooothe an existential fear of death for theists!!?

[Iwannaplato]

Oh, ok.
So HOW does believing that after death I might burn in Hell forever for hiccuping too many times, somehow soooooooothe an existential fear of death for theists!!?

Ah, good. I don't think he reads my posts or at least never responds directly. So, at least this point will get raised since he reads yours.