very simple god proof

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Re: very simple god proof

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Magnolia5275 wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 2:59 pm
iambiguous wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 3:39 am
Magnolia5275 wrote: Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:33 am 1. Knowing can only know the knowable
2. Knowing cannot know the unknowable
3. Knowable is [what can be in the knowing]
4. A truth outside the Knowing is a truth outside [all can be in the knowing]
5. A truth outside [all that can be in the knowing] [can not be in the knowing]
6. [What cannot be in the knowing] is not knowable
7. A truth outside the Knowing is knowingly non-knowable
8. Knowable is that which [can be known]
9. That which [can be known] is that which [can be in the knowing]
10. Knowable is that which [can be in the [knowing]]
11. Knowable is that [which can be in [that which can only know the knowable]] ((1.) insert)
12. Knowable is that [which can only know the [knowable]]
13. Knowable is that which can only know itself knowing (insert self-reference)
14. Knowing can only know [that which can only know] itself knowing ((13.) insert into (1.) insert)
15. Knowing can only know [the knowing] of itself [knowing] (is itself)
16. Knowing is the [knowing which only knows itself infinitely] (defined in self-reference)
17. Knowable is that which can only know itself [knowing which only knows itself infinitely] ((16.) insert into (13.) insert)
18. Knowable is the [knowing which only knows itself infinitely] (same as (16.))
19. Knowable is the same as Knowing
20. Knowing is of itself
21. knowing is in itself
22. knowing is infinitely in itself again and again (16.)
23. Outside knowing the knowing knows of it
24. Outside knowing it is still knowing
25. A truth outside the knowing is still in knowing (not the Knowing as in ALL, (7.) still stands)
26. A truth outside all that can be in the knowing must be Beyond-Infinitely-Outside of the knowing
27. A truth outside (BIO) the knowing is a truth outside (BIO) the knowable (same (19.))
28. A truth outside the knowable is unknowable
29. A truth Beyond-Infinitely-Outside the knowing is implausible
30. A truth outside the knowing is knowingly non-knowable and unknowable and also implausible
31. All Truth outside [the knowing] is unknowable and implausible
32. [The Mind] is [the knowing]
33. All truth outside [the mind] is unknowable and implausible
34. The Truth outside all that is mind is unknowable and implausible
35. I don’t know the truth outside the mind
36. [ I know] only the truth inside the mind
37. Inside the mind truth is what [ I know] (flip)
38. I am the mind and truth is [my knowing]
39. [My knowing] is the [truth]
40. A truth outside [my knowing] is a [truth outside the [truth]]
41. A [truth outside the truth] is impossible!
42. A truth outside [the knowing] is impossible
43. A truth outside the knowing is knowingly non-knowable and unknowable and also implausible and [impossible]
44. Truth outside the mind is [impossible]
45. There is no truth outside the knowing
46. There is no truth outside the mind
47. Truth is all I am as Mind
48. All I am as Mind is Truth
(flip!)
49. The World is all the truths
50. The Time is truths in truths (in every moment-truth, world is truth)
51. Mind is all the truths in truths
52. Mind is the All-powerful truth
53. Mind knows the All-powerful truth
54. Mind is the All-powerful knowing
55. Mind is the All-powerful infinite knowing (16.)
56. Mind knows therefore it is
57. Mind knows therefore it’s truth
58. Truth is Mind’s creation
59. Mind creates all truths
60. Mind created world in time
61. Mind created that Mind is
62. God is the infinite All-powerful knowing that created world in time and created that he is
63. Mind is the infinite All-powerful knowing that created world in time that created that it is
64. Mind is what God is
65. God is that Mind is
66. God is that Mind is what God is
67. God is that Mind is what God is that Mind is
68. God is that Mind is that Mind is
69. I am that mind is
70. God is that I am that I am
71. God is his biblical name (Exodus 3:14)
72. God is real and so am I

Okay, sure, why not: let's suppose that all of this is true.

God is real. One of these perhaps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_r ... traditions

So, how might we reconcile our existing God with...

...an endless procession of earthquakes and volcanic eruptions and tornadoes and hurricanes and great floods and great droughts and great fires and deadly viral and bacterial plagues and miscarriages and hundreds and hundreds of medical and mental afflictions and extinction events...making life on Earth a living hell for countless millions of men, women and children down through the ages...

...this?
How dare you question the ways of the higher power! The reason bad things happen is that it's all collateral damage, a "side effect" of creation. God is all good. If you get eaten by a lion, the lion can thank god for the delicious meal. amen
Ah, now I get it! You are only being ironic!!
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Re: very simple god proof

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Lol, this idiot made it onto the bad philosophy subreddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/badphilosophy/ ... of_of_god/
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That's extremely entertaining
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If "a very simple god proof" needs to be expressed in 72 proprositions, spare me the long version.

But the fundamental issue is that you can't prove whether an entity "really exists" by means of purely logical arguments. Logical argument depends upon a mutually-agreed vocabulary of terms with mutually-agreed definitions, manipulated according to mutually-agreed rules of procedural logic. At no point do the definitions and procedures need to correspond to anything in "reality"; it is sufficient if they are internally consistent. The only way to connect them with existential reality is by incorporating observational data, at some point.

Now, I know there are those who claim to have experienced the divine presence at first hand. I respect their sincerity, while reserving the right to doubt their observational data.
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" If He (God) understands Math and Physics then He exists." / Frank Tipler /
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