rootseeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:59 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:46 pm
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
God is the intelligent designer of our universe, and our universe is like the imagination of God.
If the word 'our' here is referring to 'human beings' or ANY such 'thing' or 'things', which are A PART OF 'the Universe, Itself, then by SAYING, 'our universe' the way 'you' do, 'this' could be implied as MEANING that who and/or what ever the 'our' word is referring to ACTUALLY 'owns' or 'creates' 'that universe'.
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
God remains the one who is the ultimate (root) creator even when there might be sub-layers of the universe.
But there are NO 'layers' of the Universe, Itself.
There are, however, DIFFERENT 'worlds', depending on HOW 'you', human beings, BEHAVE, or MISBEHAVE. For example, there IS the 'greedy, selfish, warn-torn, stressful, pollution-riddled, and disharmony world', that 'you', human beings, lived in, when this was being written. THEN, there IS the 'Truly peaceful, harmonious, stress-less, pollution-less, and happy world', which IS the 'world' that comes AFTER 'the current', to 'you', posters, here 'world' is DEAD and LONG GONE.
That is; AFTER that 'life' 'you' ARE living IN and WITH is DEAD and GONE the 'new' and MUCH BETTER 'life' CAN, and DID, BEGIN.
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
And God also retains ultimate control over the delegated layers.
BUT ONLY 'worlds', and/or 'life's, have different so-called 'layers'.
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
Here is a quick re-cap of omniscience and omnipotence as described: Omnipotence is being all-powerful, while omniscience is being all-knowing. Like many other divine characteristics, these are riddled with paradoxes, of which this very thread focuses on one such paradox of the power to ignore conflicting with omniscience.
Will you give a 'cap', or definition, of 'paradox', which 'you' HAVE and ARE USING here?
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
These paradoxes are the theoretical limits of God.
But 'paradoxes' are just 'things' that 'you', human beings, create and make.
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
Furthermore, omnipotence and omniscience can be relative in that in virtual, imaginary, or dream worlds as intangible worlds of a person can have omnipotence and omniscience relative to those worlds, even when God has higher control than the human does over those worlds.
BUT the words 'omnipotence' and 'omniscience', by themselves, ARE in relation TO ALL, and NOT SOME, 'worlds'.
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
This could be considered a delegation of a combination of power or knowledge. Furthermore intangible worlds could be considered in a sense a universe of their own as having an energy system with a different set of physical laws as our own. When looking at intangible worlds that way, the Universe is then divided into multiple universes as universal layers.
BUT WHY even BEGIN TO TWIST and DISTORT 'that' what IS ACTUALLY ABSOLUTE and IRREFUTABLY True, to start with?
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
It may be possible that there are fully and truly disconnected realms of existence, disconnected from everything including God.
NO there can NOT be.
rootseeker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:00 pm
These realms would have to be entirely beyond our observable universe, because if not they would be connected. In that case God is relatively rather than absolutely omniscient and omnipotent.
A paradox is a statement maintained to be true in spite of a counterclaim of logical contradiction, with the counterclaim perceived to be made the same claimant as the claim.
But the word 'paradox' is literally 'a paradox' (of) itself as 'it' has two completely opposing definitions, just like some other words have.
Which, by the way, are different definitions from the one you have provided here.
rootseeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:59 pm
This very thread is a good example of a paradox as the power to ignore has a logical contradiction with the characteristic of omniscience. The implication of the OP was that God has the power to ignore while also maintaining omniscience. This could be perceived as a contradiction in that any ignorance of any kind could be considered to be contrary to omniscience. However, this thread contains ideas that claim to resolve that paradox, such as the idea that God may have the ability to have multiple perspectives simultaneously. An unresolved paradox is evidence of a fallacy.
But, to me anyway, 'paradoxes' do not need resolving. I, however, am obviously using a different definition for that word than you are here.
Actually from my perspective there is nothing that needs resolving, as how to obtain the answer to all problems, and thus to be able to resolve them all is already known.
'you', people, in the days when this was being written just did not believe that this was possible, let alone believe that it could have actually already occurred.
rootseeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:59 pm
A commonly explored paradox is "When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.".
The only time that this happens and occurs, which I am thinking of in this very brief moment, is when the unstoppable 'energy' of Truth and Honesty meets a well maintained opposing BELIEF.
Will you provide any other examples?
rootseeker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 04, 2023 2:59 pm
One commonly explored omnipotence paradox is "Can God create a boulder too heavy for God to roll up a hill?".
But like a few of the other so-called 'paradoxes', like this alleged one here is, they are nothing more than just silly human made up nonsensical questions.
However, for those who want to delve into and look into this further, since God is creating everything God can create a boulder so heavy that it could not rolled up some particular hill, but 'you', human beings, have already been created, which, with the power of BELIEF, already have the ability to move mountains. So if there was any hill or mountain that was to big or to steep for any boulder to be rolled up, then that mountain or hill could just be moved, anyway.
So, once again, we have another example of a seemingly 'immovable object', that is; 'a hill', but which actually can be 'moved', by the unstoppable 'force', and 'energy', of BELIEF.
In fact the very 'thing' that got 'you', human beings, to the moon, prior to the days when this was being written, that is; if 'you' did, was the very power of BELIEF itself.
Obviously 'you' could not have even got a rocket nor spaceship to the moon if 'you' either believed 'you' could not, or, did not believe 'you' could.
It IS the BELIEF IN "yourselves" that makes the seemingly 'immovable' and 'impossible' MOVEABLE and POSSIBLE.