What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Wizard22 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:49 am
Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:38 amWith hearing, though, there are no bands with names. We perceive sound as a continuum. There are musical notes, of course, but these don't account for most sound. Do you ever see anything that hasn't got a colour?
Mirages can be 'seen' but are not colors. This refers to, on a hot day, heat rises from pavement on the road, and it appears "wavy" to the observer.

This demonstrates the prismatic effect of light through an environment with inconsistent temperatures. The same phenomenon is "seen" in water.

These disruptions prove why Subjectivity is erroneous and Perception is flawed. There are further, objective phenomena that the human senses cannot detect, such as x-rays and radio waves. You cannot see, nor hear either. But using technology, like a radio, we can convert these waves to the audible range of human sensation.
Don't mirages have colours, then?
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am The brain treats light and sound very differently.
They are both continuous waves. The brain treats heat and light differently too, even though they are both electromagnetic waves.

Theoretically speaking they are all the same. It's just signal processing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_processing
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:52 amDon't mirages have colours, then?
No, they don't. They're clear, like glass.
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:49 am
Flannel Jesus wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:46 am
Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:38 am

With hearing, though, there are no bands with names. We perceive sound as a continuum. There are musical notes, of course, but these don't account for most sound. Do you ever see anything that hasn't got a colour?
Hearing and colour are pretty much exactly the same in that regard actually. Both can be digitised and quantised and "pixelized". We've created computer screens with little tiny pixels to simulate the sort of colour experiences we see in the world, and thus we can break down any visual experience into a set of pixels and show it on a screen.

Sound works the same way, though a lot of people don't know this. MP3 files encode "pixels of sound" in exactly the same way jpg files encode pixels of colour. Every unit of an MP3 file is merely a moment of pitch+intensity, in the same way that every unit of a PNG or jpg is a pixel of red+green+blue.

Sound is not fundamentally different from colour in this way
The brain doesn't assign arbitrary bands, which language then names, to different frequencies of sound.
It may be more arbitrary than either of us realise
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Skepdick wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:53 am
Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am The brain treats light and sound very differently.
They are both continuous waves. The brain treats heat and light differently too, even though they are both electromagnetic waves.

Theoretically speaking they are all the same. It's just signal processing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_processing
The question is, then, why does the brain treat light so differently?
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Wizard22 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:53 am
Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:52 amDon't mirages have colours, then?
No, they don't. They're clear, like glass.
I'm not really sure how that could work, to be honest.
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:55 am The question is, then, why does the brain treat light so differently?
Differently in what way?

It quantizes colors from light waves exactly like it quantizes music notes from sound waves.

Analog to Digital.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog-to ... _converter
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Skepdick wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:59 am
Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:55 am The question is, then, why does the brain treat light so differently?
Differently in what way?

It quantizes colors from light waves exactly like it quantizes music notes from sound waves.
But it doesn't perceive sound in discrete bands which are then given names.
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:57 amI'm not really sure how that could work, to be honest.
It's like speaking through a fan to sound like Darth Vader, somewhat. Basically it means that the passage of light is modified by climates and textures, such as a body of water, a prism, glass, paint on a wall, etc.
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:00 am But it doesn't perceive sound in discrete bands which are then given names.
You don't perceive color in discrete bands either.

Here's the visible light spectrum. Where does the "green" band start and end?

Drawing the line is precisely what we call "definition".

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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Wizard22 wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:01 am
Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 8:57 amI'm not really sure how that could work, to be honest.
It's like speaking through a fan to sound like Darth Vader, somewhat. Basically it means that the passage of light is modified by climates and textures, such as a body of water, a prism, glass, paint on a wall, etc.
How does looking through a window differ visually from if the window wasn't there?
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Skepdick wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:02 am
Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:00 am But it doesn't perceive sound in discrete bands which are then given names.
You don't perceive color in discrete bands either.

Here's the visible light spectrum. Where does the "green" band start and end?

Drawing the line is precisely what we call "definition".

Image
Can you describe the pic, please?
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:03 am Can you describe the pic, please?
I can describe it in many different ways.

I don't know which description to choose because I don't know why I am being asked to describe it.
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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I'm pretty sure different parts of the brain are adapted to different sensory information... any neuroscientists around to confirm?
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Re: What does blue look like to a person who is colorblind

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Skepdick wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:04 am
Maia wrote: Sun May 28, 2023 9:03 am Can you describe the pic, please?
I can describe it many different ways.

Which description should I choose and for what purpose?
Just a basic description will do.
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