What is the difference between the gross existence and subtle existence with respect to soul and God?

[dattaswami]

There are only two concepts, which are existence and non-existence. The existence has two sub states:- (1) Gross Existence due to high concentration of the item and (2) Subtle existence due to low concentration of the same item. This means that an existent item can have gross existence and subtle existence. A block of ice is an example for gross existence. The same water becoming vapour is an example for subtle existence.

In the solid state the molecules are very close and in its vapour state the molecules are very far from each other. The subtle existence may be misunderstood as non-existence.

The soul sees this external world, which contains items with gross existence and with subtle existence separately. The soul sees the block of ice and also water vapour in this real world in the awaken state. In the dream state, the soul sees all the items as the items of subtle existence only because all the items of the dream are made of subtle energy only and gross matter does not appear in the dream.

Regarding God, this entire world containing items of gross existence and items of subtle existence are actually non-existent, which is the inherent nature of the creation. God cannot have real entertainment with non-existent items.

He can have real entertainment with the real world containing items of gross existence and items of subtle existence also. For this purpose, God gives His absolute reality to the world to make it real. Making the world real does not mean that all items of the world get gross existence. The real world created by God contains the items of gross existence and the items of subtle existence separately.

Here, irrespective of gross and subtle difference, both items have become real, which are unreal inherently. Hence, God sees this world in the same manner as the soul sees. God has no difference between awaken and dream states. God and soul have the common awaken state.

But, the soul has dream state also as extra. The soul is unable to convert its dream world into real world. But, the omnipotent God has converted His imaginary world into the real world.

[CHNOPS]

Talking about a "soul" different from "God" is just like classic religion.

You are a religion person. You have been fooled by religion people who try to retain the most religion person possible merging their believes with Advaita Vedanta.

Pay more attention who you follow.

[dattaswami]

Talking about a "soul" different from "God" is just like classic religion.

You are a religion person. You have been fooled by religion people who try to retain the most religion person possible merging their believes with Advaita Vedanta.

Pay more attention who you follow.

Śankara said that the soul or pure awareness itself is God. This was done only to encourage the devotee to reach this stage of identifying oneself with the eternal soul, instead of the non-eternal body. When you have to climb up 100 steps to reach your goal, your well-wisher will not directly tell you that the goal is 100 steps high since you will get discouraged and quit.

He will instead tell you that your goal is only 10 steps high. When you climb up the first 10 steps, the well-wisher will say that the goal is just another 10 steps higher. This continues until you finally reach the actual goal that was 100 steps high. This is called arthavāda, which is a lie told to encourage the soul to start the journey and progress in the right direction. It is in this sense that Śankara said that if the soul gives up the identification with the body and instead, identifies with the state of pure awareness, the ultimate goal, which is God, is attained.

It is true that both God and the soul are said to be eternal. But the eternality of the soul is different from the eternality of God. The soul was created by God and it remains eternal only as long as God wishes. The body will perish at the end of one birth, but the soul will continue to take endless births, with a new body in every birth.

The number of births taken by a soul is said to be endless since the soul continues to take births as long as God wishes. Strictly speaking, the soul is only relatively eternal with reference to the perishing body (Na hanyate hanyamāneśarīre...—Gītā). The soul is certainly not absolutely eternal like God. Thus, the eternality of the soul is only relative (Ajo nityaḥ śāśvato’yam...—Gītā).

[CHNOPS]

Talking about a "soul" different from "God" is just like classic religion.

You are a religion person. You have been fooled by religion people who try to retain the most religion person possible merging their believes with Advaita Vedanta.

Pay more attention who you follow.

Śankara said that the soul or pure awareness itself is God. This was done only to encourage the devotee to reach this stage of identifying oneself with the eternal soul, instead of the non-eternal body. When you have to climb up 100 steps to reach your goal, your well-wisher will not directly tell you that the goal is 100 steps high since you will get discouraged and quit.

He will instead tell you that your goal is only 10 steps high. When you climb up the first 10 steps, the well-wisher will say that the goal is just another 10 steps higher. This continues until you finally reach the actual goal that was 100 steps high. This is called arthavāda, which is a lie told to encourage the soul to start the journey and progress in the right direction. It is in this sense that Śankara said that if the soul gives up the identification with the body and instead, identifies with the state of pure awareness, the ultimate goal, which is God, is attained.

It is true that both God and the soul are said to be eternal. But the eternality of the soul is different from the eternality of God. The soul was created by God and it remains eternal only as long as God wishes. The body will perish at the end of one birth, but the soul will continue to take endless births, with a new body in every birth.

The number of births taken by a soul is said to be endless since the soul continues to take births as long as God wishes. Strictly speaking, the soul is only relatively eternal with reference to the perishing body (Na hanyate hanyamāneśarīre...—Gītā). The soul is certainly not absolutely eternal like God. Thus, the eternality of the soul is only relative (Ajo nityaḥ śāśvato’yam...—Gītā).

No, you are not understand it.

You can read a lot of text but really dont understand it. It's funny.

Think slow:

If you are not God, then, God is more far away that your eternal soul.

So, Sankara saying that you are God in order to encourage the devotee make no sense, because in order to go step by step you cannot try to reach step 100 before step 10 (where your soul is).


Is just that you, and a lot of people there, dont understand Sankara.


You are God. Talking about a soul different from God is just the ignorance that you still have. It make no difference to a religion person.


Maybe are the religion institution the ones who are making this confusions in order to make people think they are not religion person but they still are.


Think about what "eternal" means. The "eternal" trascend the "space-time". So, how can 2 differents things be eternal?

In order to talk about 2 different things, you must to make a limit between that 2 things.

But the eternal has no limit... so, it cannot limit with a soul, much less with billon of souls...


The lie that Sankara said and other teachers say, is in another level. First you must to understand that you are God.

Then, the lie is that "you must to find yourself". And that is a lie because you cannot do this. But this lie, as you said, has the purpose to make your Ego (and all that ignorance about you beeing a separate soul, etc) finish. But when it happens, you dont find yourself, but you understand what you can't, but now you know that you are not a thing, not a temporal thing, even if you cannot know yourself.


But first, you must to understand that you are not different from God. You are God.


It makes me sad, that there are a lot of people like you, that are in all this "spiritual path", propagating a lot of true but mixed with IMPORTANT LIES that makes people more ignorance than before


Wake up! Don't be like they. Shut up your Ego and re-think all again.

[dattaswami]

No, you are not understand it.

You can read a lot of text but really dont understand it. It's funny.

Think slow:

If you are not God, then, God is more far away that your eternal soul.

So, Sankara saying that you are God in order to encourage the devotee make no sense, because in order to go step by step you cannot try to reach step 100 before step 10 (where your soul is).


Is just that you, and a lot of people there, dont understand Sankara.


You are God. Talking about a soul different from God is just the ignorance that you still have. It make no difference to a religion person.


Maybe are the religion institution the ones who are making this confusions in order to make people think they are not religion person but they still are.


Think about what "eternal" means. The "eternal" trascend the "space-time". So, how can 2 differents things be eternal?

In order to talk about 2 different things, you must to make a limit between that 2 things.

But the eternal has no limit... so, it cannot limit with a soul, much less with billon of souls...


The lie that Sankara said and other teachers say, is in another level. First you must to understand that you are God.

Then, the lie is that "you must to find yourself". And that is a lie because you cannot do this. But this lie, as you said, has the purpose to make your Ego (and all that ignorance about you beeing a separate soul, etc) finish. But when it happens, you dont find yourself, but you understand what you can't, but now you know that you are not a thing, not a temporal thing, even if you cannot know yourself.


But first, you must to understand that you are not different from God. You are God.


It makes me sad, that there are a lot of people like you, that are in all this "spiritual path", propagating a lot of true but mixed with IMPORTANT LIES that makes people more ignorance than before


Wake up! Don't be like they. Shut up your Ego and re-think all again.

Shankara used the misunderstood concept for a good purpose of converting atheist into theist. He advised the atheist to learn the spiritual knowledge of God, by which the illusion that he is not God gets removed and that he will become God. The atheist was attracted to this and started learning the spiritual knowledge. Otherwise, the atheist will not try to learn even the alphabets of spiritual knowledge. Then, Shankara advised that the strong illusion will be destroyed by the worship of the Lord, who is also a realized soul. The atheist followed the course of devotion also with the same original ambition to become God. By this time, the atheist has completed the two courses of knowledge and devotion. He has tasted God sufficiently and now cannot leave God even if the truth is revealed that he is only the permanent servant of God. Therefore, to achieve some good result, even a twisted concept can be used. When the result is achieved, the twist in the concept can be removed, which will help in further progress.

[Sculptor]

What is the difference between the gross existence and subtle existence with respect to soul and God?

Neither have the quality of gross existence; both are fantasies.

[dattaswami]

What is the difference between the gross existence and subtle existence with respect to soul and God?

Neither have the quality of gross existence; both are fantasies.

When you eat food it get oxidized and energy is produced when this energy flows over our nervous system soul or awareness is produced. When you stop eating food awareness disappears and you will die.

[Sculptor]

What is the difference between the gross existence and subtle existence with respect to soul and God?

Neither have the quality of gross existence; both are fantasies.

When you eat food it get oxidized and energy is produced when this energy flows over our nervous system soul or awareness is produced. When you stop eating food awareness disappears and you will die.

What "soul"?

You have used "soul" as a completely redundant term. If you remove the world from your sentence, it makes more sense.

[CHNOPS]

No, you are not understand it.

You can read a lot of text but really dont understand it. It's funny.

Think slow:

If you are not God, then, God is more far away that your eternal soul.

So, Sankara saying that you are God in order to encourage the devotee make no sense, because in order to go step by step you cannot try to reach step 100 before step 10 (where your soul is).


Is just that you, and a lot of people there, dont understand Sankara.


You are God. Talking about a soul different from God is just the ignorance that you still have. It make no difference to a religion person.


Maybe are the religion institution the ones who are making this confusions in order to make people think they are not religion person but they still are.


Think about what "eternal" means. The "eternal" trascend the "space-time". So, how can 2 differents things be eternal?

In order to talk about 2 different things, you must to make a limit between that 2 things.

But the eternal has no limit... so, it cannot limit with a soul, much less with billon of souls...


The lie that Sankara said and other teachers say, is in another level. First you must to understand that you are God.

Then, the lie is that "you must to find yourself". And that is a lie because you cannot do this. But this lie, as you said, has the purpose to make your Ego (and all that ignorance about you beeing a separate soul, etc) finish. But when it happens, you dont find yourself, but you understand what you can't, but now you know that you are not a thing, not a temporal thing, even if you cannot know yourself.


But first, you must to understand that you are not different from God. You are God.


It makes me sad, that there are a lot of people like you, that are in all this "spiritual path", propagating a lot of true but mixed with IMPORTANT LIES that makes people more ignorance than before


Wake up! Don't be like they. Shut up your Ego and re-think all again.

Shankara used the misunderstood concept for a good purpose of converting atheist into theist. He advised the atheist to learn the spiritual knowledge of God, by which the illusion that he is not God gets removed and that he will become God. The atheist was attracted to this and started learning the spiritual knowledge. Otherwise, the atheist will not try to learn even the alphabets of spiritual knowledge. Then, Shankara advised that the strong illusion will be destroyed by the worship of the Lord, who is also a realized soul. The atheist followed the course of devotion also with the same original ambition to become God. By this time, the atheist has completed the two courses of knowledge and devotion. He has tasted God sufficiently and now cannot leave God even if the truth is revealed that he is only the permanent servant of God. Therefore, to achieve some good result, even a twisted concept can be used. When the result is achieved, the twist in the concept can be removed, which will help in further progress.

You have been fooled. It's sad.

Go and pray to a God.