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Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
13 JUN 2022 1:30 PM BY ADRIAN CHO
Unless Europe’s Large Hadron Collider coughs up a surprise,
the field of particle physics may wheeze to its end
A decade ago, particle physicists were thrilled by the world.
On 4 July 2012, 6000 researchers working with the world's biggest atom smasher,
the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at the European particle physics laboratory, CERN,
announced they had discovered the Higgs boson, a massive, fleeting particle key
to their abstruse explanation of how other fundamental particles get their mass.
The discovery fulfilled a 45-year-old prediction, completed a theory called the
standard model, and thrust physicists into the spotlight.
Then came a long hangover. Before the 27-kilometer-long ring-shaped LHC started
to take data in 2010, physicists fretted that it might produce the Higgs and nothing else,
leaving no clue to what lies beyond the standard model. So far, that nightmare scenario
is coming true. “It’s a bit disappointing,” allows Barry Barish, a physicist at the California
Institute of Technology. “I thought we would discover supersymmetry,” the leading
extension of the standard model.
https://www.science.org/content/article ... v6pO9uAV6g

When will physicists (using CERN) find the last missing particle?
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socrat44 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:25 am Ten years after the Higgs, physicists face the nightmare of finding nothing else
13 JUN 2022 1:30 PM BY ADRIAN CHO
Unless Europe’s Large Hadron Collider coughs up a surprise,
the field of particle physics may wheeze to its end
A decade ago, particle physicists were thrilled by the world.
On 4 July 2012, 6000 researchers working with the world's biggest atom smasher,
the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at the European particle physics laboratory, CERN,
announced they had discovered the Higgs boson, a massive, fleeting particle key
to their abstruse explanation of how other fundamental particles get their mass.
The discovery fulfilled a 45-year-old prediction, completed a theory called the
standard model, and thrust physicists into the spotlight.
Then came a long hangover. Before the 27-kilometer-long ring-shaped LHC started
to take data in 2010, physicists fretted that it might produce the Higgs and nothing else,
leaving no clue to what lies beyond the standard model. So far, that nightmare scenario
is coming true. “It’s a bit disappointing,” allows Barry Barish, a physicist at the California
Institute of Technology. “I thought we would discover supersymmetry,” the leading
extension of the standard model.
https://www.science.org/content/article ... v6pO9uAV6g

Such extremely complex and difficult experiments with non-reproducible results, driven by the uncritical will of experimenters, should not serve as tests or validations of physical theories. Sometimes it is better to have certain less than uncertain more As for the spectrum of elementary particles, I think it's rather a structural, logical 4D puzzle…

socrat44 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:56 pm When will physicists (using CERN) find the last missing particle?
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If ANY one is LOOKING FOR some so-called "last MISSING particle", then they WILL BE SEARCHING for a VERY LONG 'time'.This is because there is NO missing particle here.

The only thing MISSING here is 'you', adult human beings, Wanting to LEARN how to CHANGE the WAY you LOOK AT, and thus SEE things.

The two MOST basic or fundamental 'things' of or in thee Universe, Itself, ARE 'matter' and 'space', or the distance, between and around 'matter', itself.

LOOKING FOR IMAGINED MISSING 'things' could be LOOKED AT and SEEN AS a sign of INSANITY. Therefore, it could be argued that a collective LOOK FOR IMAGINED MISSING 'things' could be a collective form of INSANITY.

Also I find the "COINCIDENCE" that these CREATED tools or instruments if NOT ALWAYS then NEARLY ALWAYS "find" what was being PREDICTED by the ones who the makers of these tools and instruments LOOK UP TO , BELIEVE, and/or have FAITH IN, EXTREMELY HUMOROUS and ENTERTAINING to WATCH and OBSERVE. It reminds me a LOT like when WATCHING and OBSERVING the OTHER "religious ones" who "find" what the ones who they LOOK UP TO, BELIEVE, and have FAITH IN say and CLAIM is true ALSO.

When 'you', human beings, put individuals on 'pedestools', like preachers or preists, or scientists or philosophers, but it does NOT matter who it really is, the amount of times the "followers" "find" and "see" what the "other" SAYS is a Truly AMAZING SIGHT TO BEHOLD.

The COINCIDENCE that it happens on just about EVERY occasion, if not then on EVERY occassion, is Truly, and LITERALLY, ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE. YET, it happens time and time again.

WHEN, and IF, 'you', adult human beings, CHANGE the WAY 'you' LOOK AT things, THEN 'you' WILL SEE things in a much DIFFERENT 'light', AND THEN 'you' CAN and WIlL START moving forward, and PROGRESSING.

Until then 'you' WILL REMAIN STUCK where 'you' ARE now, in the days when this was being written. LOOKING FOR, and "finding" and "seeing" 'things', which REALLY are NOT even 'there'.

Thee IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things' is HERE for ALL to LOOK AT and SEE, NOW.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:46 pm

socrat44 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:56 pm When will physicists (using CERN) find the last missing particle?
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The two MOST basic or fundamental 'things' of or in thee Universe, Itself,
ARE 'matter' and 'space', or the distance, between and around 'matter', itself.

All matter (billions of galaxies and the whole zoo of elementary particles) exists in the Cosmic Vacuum

Cerveny wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:03 pm As for the spectrum of elementary particles, I think it's rather a structural, logical 4D puzzle…

the spectrum of elementary particles depends on E=h*f
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socrat44 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:31 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:46 pm

socrat44 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:56 pm When will physicists (using CERN) find the last missing particle?
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The two MOST basic or fundamental 'things' of or in thee Universe, Itself,
ARE 'matter' and 'space', or the distance, between and around 'matter', itself.

All matter (billions of galaxies and the whole zoo of elementary particles) exists in the Cosmic Vacuum

SO, more or less EXACTLY what I just SAID, right?

And, are you able to ELABORATE WHY 'matter' is IN this so-called "Cosmic Vacuum"?

socrat44 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:34 am

Cerveny wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 5:03 pm As for the spectrum of elementary particles, I think it's rather a structural, logical 4D puzzle…

the spectrum of elementary particles depends on E=h*f
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WHY?

If it's any consolation, folks, scientists have been saying there were no more particles needed ever since the first modern atomic hypothesis was advanced in 1803.

alan1000 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:29 pm If it's any consolation, folks, scientists have been saying there were no more particles needed ever since the first modern atomic hypothesis was advanced in 1803.

since 1803: atom = electron + proton (6 quarks + 6 antiquarks + gluons + pentaquark +
+ tetraquark + leptoquarks) + new axions + other zoo of quantum particles

socrat44 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 19, 2022 6:31 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 18, 2022 6:46 pm

socrat44 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:56 pm When will physicists (using CERN) find the last missing particle?
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The two MOST basic or fundamental 'things' of or in thee Universe, Itself,
ARE 'matter' and 'space', or the distance, between and around 'matter', itself.

All matter (billions of galaxies and the whole zoo of elementary particles) exists in the Cosmic Vacuum

What does it mean for a vacuum to have density? And how is this measured?
https://ufn.ru/ufn01/ufn01_11/ufn0111a.pdf