Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 4:10 pm
Parsimony.Do you have any argument against simulating world or Matrix?
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Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 4:16 pm
So you don't have an argument!henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:10 pmParsimony.Do you have any argument against simulating world or Matrix?
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 4:33 pm
Parsimony is my argument.bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:16 pmSo you don't have an argument!henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:10 pmParsimony.Do you have any argument against simulating world or Matrix?
As I can't prove, to you, the world is real, and as you can't prove, to me, the world is a simulation, I take the position the simpler of the two is probably true.
That is: the world exists, exists independent of me, is largely as I apprehend it, is more likely than the world is a simulation, an illusion.
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 9:34 pm
I have an argument that we are living in simulating reality.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:33 pmParsimony is my argument.
As I can't prove, to you, the world is real, and as you can't prove, to me, the world is a simulation, I take the position the simpler of the two is probably true.
That is: the world exists, exists independent of me, is largely as I apprehend it, is more likely than the world is a simulation, an illusion.
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Sun May 15, 2022 11:29 pm
LOL you have to be JOKING here right "bahman"?bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 9:34 pmI have an argument that we are living in simulating reality.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:33 pmParsimony is my argument.
As I can't prove, to you, the world is real, and as you can't prove, to me, the world is a simulation, I take the position the simpler of the two is probably true.
That is: the world exists, exists independent of me, is largely as I apprehend it, is more likely than the world is a simulation, an illusion.
That is NOT an 'argument' AT ALL. That is just an ILLOGICALLY "reasoned out" BELIEF of yours.
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 12:36 am
bahman wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 9:34 pmI have an argument that we are living in simulating reality.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:33 pmParsimony is my argument.
As I can't prove, to you, the world is real, and as you can't prove, to me, the world is a simulation, I take the position the simpler of the two is probably true.
That is: the world exists, exists independent of me, is largely as I apprehend it, is more likely than the world is a simulation, an illusion.
Our minds, as our minds are inextricably intertwined with our substance, do access *reality directly.
And: we're back to square one.
*look here, biggy:
REALITYRe: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:31 am
1 & 2 sort of okay.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 3:20 pm0F87307C-7536-46D1-89AA-A9CD9E65DB9D.jpeghenry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 08, 2022 1:37 am The world exists, exists independent of us, and is apprehended by us as it is (*not in its entirety but as it is). We **apprehend it directly, without the aid of, or intervention of, [insert hypothetical whatsis] and without constructing a model or representation of the world somewhere in our heads.
*If you take into account perspective (where the observer stands in relation to the observed); intervening, inconstant, possible, distortions (water instead of atmosphere, for example); and the inherent limits of the observer himself; then what is seen is as it is.
**Direct realism, of course, is not just about sight. Hearing, taste, smell, touch: the entire interface of a person, as he's in the world, is the concern of the direct realist. That's why I define it as I do. Apprehension covers it all, the whole of a person's direct contact with the world.
3 & 4 dubious.
There is no "direct" perception as perception is a system of interpretation.
Red is meaningless in the real world being wholly a perceptual creation. There are wavelengths as demonstrable to science but colour is something else, since there is nothing to mandate our perception of "red" with a specific wavelength except via knowledge.
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 3:30 pm
Can you tell me why you don't have access to all reality and only a part of it?henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:36 ambahman wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 9:34 pmI have an argument that we are living in simulating reality.henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:33 pm
Parsimony is my argument.
As I can't prove, to you, the world is real, and as you can't prove, to me, the world is a simulation, I take the position the simpler of the two is probably true.
That is: the world exists, exists independent of me, is largely as I apprehend it, is more likely than the world is a simulation, an illusion.Our minds, as our minds are inextricably intertwined with our substance, do access *reality directly.
And: we're back to square one.
*look here, biggy:REALITY
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 4:04 pm
So you dont understand the first part where you say "Yes".
"Red" is what happen when a brain is conected to an object, whatever a brain or an object is.
Without that relation, the arent "Red" things.
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 4:11 pm
I would've thought "I don't know" would be the position most congruent with parsimony?henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:33 pm Parsimony is my argument.
As I can't prove, to you, the world is real, and as you can't prove, to me, the world is a simulation, I take the position the simpler of the two is probably true.
That is: the world exists, exists independent of me, is largely as I apprehend it, is more likely than the world is a simulation, an illusion.
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 4:12 pm
"Red" is what happens when you encode/represent your experiences in language.
The experience of this color is not "red". The experience of this color occurs outside of any linguistic representation.
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 4:26 pm
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 4:36 pm
Parsimony is not agnosticism; it's just stinginess.Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:11 pmI would've thought "I don't know" would be the position most congruent with parsimony?henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:33 pm Parsimony is my argument.
As I can't prove, to you, the world is real, and as you can't prove, to me, the world is a simulation, I take the position the simpler of the two is probably true.
That is: the world exists, exists independent of me, is largely as I apprehend it, is more likely than the world is a simulation, an illusion.
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pm
Parsimony is agnosticism! I am so stingy that I offer no hypothesis.henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:36 pmParsimony is not agnosticism; it's just stinginess.Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:11 pmI would've thought "I don't know" would be the position most congruent with parsimony?henry quirk wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 4:33 pm Parsimony is my argument.
As I can't prove, to you, the world is real, and as you can't prove, to me, the world is a simulation, I take the position the simpler of the two is probably true.
That is: the world exists, exists independent of me, is largely as I apprehend it, is more likely than the world is a simulation, an illusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotheses_non_fingo
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 4:39 pm
I'm finite, limited. I stand in one place at a time. I see only where I direct my eyes. etc.bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 3:30 pmCan you tell me why you don't have access to all reality and only a part of it?henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:36 ambahman wrote: ↑Sun May 15, 2022 9:34 pm
I have an argument that we are living in simulating reality.Our minds, as our minds are inextricably intertwined with our substance, do access *reality directly.
And: we're back to square one.
*look here, biggy: