good on you...Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pmParsimony is agnosticism! I am so stingy that I offer no hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotheses_non_fingo
What is the real color of the apple?
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Good on me, indeed.henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:39 pmgood on you...Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pmParsimony is agnosticism! I am so stingy that I offer no hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotheses_non_fingo
But when will you stop pretending you have principles?
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Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:42 pmGood on me, indeed.henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:39 pmgood on you...Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pm
Parsimony is agnosticism! I am so stingy that I offer no hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotheses_non_fingo
But when will you stop pretending you have principles?
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Of course.
Language is just a representation of a experience with other experience. So, the word "red" is not the red.
I know that. We are going deeper than that.
Forgive the language.
Now... that image you upload here, a red dot, is still the same if there are not brains?
Red is what happens when fotons interact with a brain.
Is the fotons interacts with another object, then other experience is ocurring but not the "red experience" we know.
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It conect with other object throught photons, for example.bahman wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:26 pmThe brain doesn't directly connect with other objects.
If you take off the photons or the brain, there are no experience of seeing red.
What experience are then? well, if you close your eyes, the difference between what we call "an image of a red dot" and "an image of a yellow dot" it will be on "colder or hotter", for example.
And if you take off the entire human body, then, we can describe it, but there is still beeing a experience.
How is the experience of the origin of the universe, for example? We cant describe it in terms of humans.
You cant say it was "hot and white".
Phisics says it was "hot", but they mean "a lot of energy" or "a lot of movement". But that are imposible to describe, because we only describe in human terms.
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And how do photons manifest themselves as color?CHNOPS wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 5:16 pmIt conect with other object throught photons, for example.
If you take off the photons or the brain, there are no experience of seeing red.
What experience are then? well, if you close your eyes, the difference between what we call "an image of a red dot" and "an image of a yellow dot" it will be on "colder or hotter", for example.
And if you take off the entire human body, then, we can describe it, but there is still beeing a experience.
How is the experience of the origin of the universe, for example? We cant describe it in terms of humans.
You cant say it was "hot and white".
Phisics says it was "hot", but they mean "a lot of energy" or "a lot of movement". But that are imposible to describe, because we only describe in human terms.
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This is a racist question. Why must an apple be identified by the color of its skin? Why can't we just call it a fruit like all the other ones? Okay, maybe the apple is a dumb ugly lazy rotten violence prone underachiever that refuses to keep a job... but is this because of the apple's skin color?
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homophobeWhy can't we just call it a fruit like all the other ones?
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HA!
Hoisted on my own spear...
Hoisted on my own spear...
Re: What is the real color of the apple?
Because we shared commons experience, almost equals, so, when I say "red" you know what experience i am talking about.
The "red experience" is real. Is just RELATIVE to a brain, like mine or yours.
The experience is always real. You are experience it.
That doesnt mean to be that because that then the color is something you can isolate from brains.
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When there are brains..... when interact with your eyes and then your brain.And how do photons manifest themselves as color?
The photons dont carry the color "red", they dont have colors. When they hit your brain, that moment of the hit... is when an experience ocurrs and we call it "seeing red".
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Oh, ok. So photons hit your brain makes red. Then what do you need eyes for?CHNOPS wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 1:47 amWhen there are brains..... when interact with your eyes and then your brain.And how do photons manifest themselves as color?
The photons dont carry the color "red", they dont have colors. When they hit your brain, that moment of the hit... is when an experience ocurrs and we call it "seeing red".
And why did all these stupid animals evolve bright colors to mean "danger" if everybody experiences color differently?
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How do you know that photon is not qualia?CHNOPS wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 1:47 amWhen there are brains..... when interact with your eyes and then your brain.And how do photons manifest themselves as color?
The photons dont carry the color "red", they dont have colors. When they hit your brain, that moment of the hit... is when an experience ocurrs and we call it "seeing red".