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Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:00 pm Justice, on the other hand , is competently addressed by philosophers.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:15 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:00 pm Justice, on the other hand , is competently addressed by philosophers.

Actually, it's a concept they're all seriously struggling with. Rawls wrote a lot about it, but never solved it. Recent books by people like Sen and Dworkin haven't resolved it. Wolterstorff's treatment is better...but on the whole, it's still a debated concept.

So no, it's not a matter that has been resolved.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:21 pm

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:15 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:00 pm Justice, on the other hand , is competently addressed by philosophers.

Actually, it's a concept they're all seriously struggling with. Rawls wrote a lot about it, but never solved it. Recent books by people like Sen and Dworkin haven't resolved it. Wolterstorff's treatment is better...but on the whole, it's still a debated concept.

So no, it's not a matter that has been resolved.

I did not say not was resolved! Stop doing that!

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:16 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:56 pm God is both the Absolute , and a person.

It depends on what we mean by "the Absolute." There are "absolute" characteristics that God does not have.

Taoists believe "the Absolute" has to include such things as what we, in the West, would call "evil" or "destruction," or other such negative properties. Theirs is a binary view, in which good and evil are unified in "the Absolute." (Think of the yin-yang: it's darkness and light, but in a single circle, signifying eternality and the Absolute.)

But yes, God is a Person. And like all persons, He has particular intentions, will, characteristics, volition, purposes, identity, moral character, and so on. But each of those excludes the absolute opposite. For example, Scripture says,

"God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all." (1 John 1:5)

That's not the yin-yang. It's an "Absolute" of a particular character and nature.

.what does "competently addressed" mean, in your usage? You mean they just talk about it? Yes, they do...however, with generally inconclusive results.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:25 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:24 pm "All creation" contains within it a subset of "personal experience" thus contradicting being as driven by an impersonal force.

God is a contradiction

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:47 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:25 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:24 pm "All creation" contains within it a subset of "personal experience" thus contradicting being as driven by an impersonal force.

God is a contradiction

And contradictions exist....

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:56 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:47 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:25 am
God is a contradiction

And contradictions exist....

Probably the dumbest response I've read in a long while.
You might as well say vaccum exists.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:01 am Immanuel Can wrote:

.what does "competently addressed" mean, in your usage? You mean they just talk about it? Yes, they do...however, with generally inconclusive results.

Words can and do inspire to action.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:22 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:56 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:47 pm

And contradictions exist....

Probably the dumbest response I've read in a long while.
You might as well say vaccum exists.

So the contradiction of "2+2=5", as a contradiction, does not exist even though I typed it on a keyboard? It does not exist as a contradiction? It is spelled "vacuum"....and you are the one calling me stupid....

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:16 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:01 am Immanuel Can wrote:

.what does "competently addressed" mean, in your usage? You mean they just talk about it? Yes, they do...however, with generally inconclusive results.

Words can and do inspire to action.

You mean that talking about justice makes it happen? Oh, goody. Tell me where that's actually happened.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:33 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:16 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:01 am Immanuel Can wrote:



Words can and do inspire to action.

You mean that talking about justice makes it happen? Oh, goody. Tell me where that's actually happened.

The parables of Jesus.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:57 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:33 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:16 am
You mean that talking about justice makes it happen? Oh, goody. Tell me where that's actually happened.

The parables of Jesus.

Jesus certainly didn't just "talk." And I don't know if I'd be very optimistic that His teaching and today's Social Justice rhetoric are going to produce a similar effect. But I suppose you can bank on that if you wish.

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:09 pm The ethical system of Jesus of Nazareth can and does stand without miracles as props.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:07 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:09 pm The ethical system of Jesus of Nazareth can and does stand without miracles as props.

Explain that.

If Jesus Christ was not God, why are people obligated to follow his moral precepts?

What confers that duty upon them?