Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 1:01 am
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:36 am
If He does, then to rail against him is to treat the only person
who can help you as an enemy.
OK. So it still hasn't really sunk into your indoctrinated skull. God does not care what happens to humans.
Let's suppose you're right about that. I don't, and I think your reasoning there is poor. But if you were, what good would it do to rail against God?
You say he "does not care."
You're worried about something that is not real.
If He's not real, then you have even less reason to be railing. You may as well be angry with unicorns.
You Christians seem to think that anything you do actually matters to God.
We do. But only because He says so, and has proved it. But go ahead.
There are devout Christians who have lived and died worse than Hitler did.
Let's see if you know what you're talking about. Name one.
God isn't keeping tabs on every single event in the universe to make sure that only good things happen to his favorites and bad things happen to his enemies.
Now, one bit of that is true: as the Bible says, "rain falls on the just and the unjust." But there are reasons for that. Imagine the opposite: imagine if God rewarded good people instantly, and punished all sin instantly. What would your life look like, then?
Well, whenever you chose something that was wrong, a big hand would come down and smack you. And whenever you did good, ice cream would instantly appear. So you'd have no choice but to do, always, that which was right. There would be no other possible choice. And the consequence? There'd be no choices for Gary. Gary would be worse than a robot; he'd be a sentient robot with no free will.
So before you conclude that God doesn't care about Gary, maybe take a thought for the fact that Gary has a Gary. He is his own person. He has his own will about what he does. And God grants Gary so much freedom that Gary can even choose to say poisonous things about God, and not get hammered with a lightning bolt for doing it.
However, a just God will not always allow sin to continue. He cannot, and be just. So a reckoning will come. But this world, for now, can be no other way than it is, with regard to the ratio of good happenings to bad ones and their association with the choices we make, and still have a Gary worth having in it.
The only order in this universe comes from mathematical physics and humans who use those mathematics to make the world a better place.
Have you seen what we do, lately? Go see the movie "Sound of Freedom," and tell me of all the lovely things we do to make this world "a better place."
No, if physics is all there is, then there's no God, or it's as good as if there were none. But then, you've got nobody to complain to, and there's nobody capable of helping you. Is that your world? Then I guess you should stop complaining and take it. What else can you do?
Find something more important to worry about.
I've said enough. You've made your view clear. I'm accepting of your choice, Gary. So will God be, you will discover.