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Oh well. Fuck it. AJ makes more from finding one purchaser than I do in finding 66.6 of them. I must be evil! :oops:
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Why can I only order 30 copies? I'm contacting customer service immediately.

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:16 pm I’ve come up with some titles for poems that perhaps Gary will write and (god help us) publish. Here’s one:

Last Week, Christ’s Pupil; This Week I Whack the Noodle
Should I butcher Zen instead?
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Here’s another:

The World Is Going To Zen!
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Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:23 pm |🍒|🍉|🍒|

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Perhaps Yaweh just doesn't like people to make light of life?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

What's wrong, AJ? Did you wake up on the wrong side of life again?
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 4:36 pm Here’s another:

The World Is Going To Zen!
Not if you can help it!
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I remember the day when Nietzsche's moustache escaped, and terrorised the peasants of the local village. Oh, how we laughed; such happy times.
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Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:07 pm I remember the day when Nietzsche's moustache escaped, and terrorised the peasants of the local village. Oh, how we laughed; such happy times.
I've often wondered where Groucho got his paste-on from! :D
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sat Jun 03, 2023 7:29 pm Iambiguous is going strong, as usual ….
:lol:

No, seriously.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:39 pm It is hard to know how to fairly and accurately interpret the strange discourse of the various denizens who are compelled to come forward on this thread (in its recent, devolving phase) and spread their sticky slimes of non-thought. Like moths to a flame they circulate and defecate prettily. The topic -- Christianity -- loses all relevance when those who, in my view, are gripped by personal subjectivity, a distorted self that has no other object but itself and when *touched* bursts forth vomit (something putrescent coming from inside).

The conversation becomes entirely non-objective and one deals with deranged individuals who each have their dominating story of personal strutting & fretting which, at least from where I sit, has no significance and yet certainly has tremendous effect, or is the result of degeneration that has been effected.

I know this sounds somewhat harsh, and is sure to arouse page after page of idiotic reaction, yet it is important to drill down into the internal states of those who are compelled to spend their days voicing their *opposition* and *rebellion* that dominates their personalities.

Each one has a special tale to tell: Gary, one of lostness, mental illness and sexual perversion that desires death; Iambiguous a million word monument to a man totally stuck within a mental conundrum from which there is no escape; Harbal a man who has turned opposition into his life's modus operandi; and Attofishpi a man entirely wrapped up in subjectivity taken to such a degree that the *mirror* is taken as an actual representation of reality.

DontAskMe is an odd case as well. How to characterize her? One way might be to examine original Zen movement, a rebellion against the Buddhist authority structure at a time when Chinese culture was in decay and disarray and the class that adhered to these teaching moved their headquarters to Japan. Suzuki (who wrote a book introducing the West to Zen Buddhism) wrote:
If we are to judge Zen from our common-sense view of things, we shall find the ground sinking away under our feet. Our so-called rationalistic way of thinking has apparently no use in evaluating the truth or untruth of Zen. It is altogether beyond the ken of human understanding. All that we can therefore state about Zen is that its uniqueness lies in its irrationality or its passing beyond our logical comprehension.

"Zen," says Suzuki, "is above space-time relations, and naturally even above historical facts."
Here, we can notice some reflections in DAM's oppositional writing. And there you have it: a stance, a perspective, that requires no other referent but something like a *mood* within an individual enabling him (or her) to see everything/anything in any way that the person desires to, because something else is proposed as being ultimately more relevant. Anything and everything, then, can be undermined; reduced to the general nothingness and irrelevancy that is ultimately held up as dominating life and reality.

Thus it all devolves into a game. A sort of Ponzi scheme of the mind.

What interests me is the general dissolution and decadence that is eating away at the solidities both of the person (the self) as well as our culture and indeed our civilization. For this reason I have, for polemic purposes, referred to *termites* who simply through their activity (eating, existing) and without understanding what they are doing, destroy foundations that have taken centuries and millennia to construct.

Iambiguous, Gary, Harbal, DAM and also in some ways Atto (but he would have to be qualified somewhat differently) present themselves as people who have lost a footing, or cannot recover one, and thus seem to retreat into a neurotic process within themselves. It is as if The World lost its sense, and the individual lost his anchor, but what is left is an energy, something very personal to the individual, that strives on without the ability to get a solid grip.

Obviously, I am extrapolating and in a sense *divining* from specific persons whose writings are close at hand ... to the larger conditions of which we are all a part and in the general dissolution in which we participate whether we like it or not, or understand it or not. My main assertion, which I feel is true, is that no one of these individuals mentioned has any consciousness at all of their social, cultural and metaphysical position. Therefore, they cannot self-analyze, and therefore they *fly blind*.

Or I could refer to Dubious' metaphor of the psyche drifting on the open seas into a *world* where any choice made by a given individual is as valid and meaningful as any other because no solidity (metaphysically) is understood to be *real*. Arthus Rimbaud wrote The Drunken Boat and, having got hold of a book of his letters, I thought it possible to refer to the *drunken individual* or the *drunken psyche* and to push the metaphor forward. It is impossible not to admire Rambeau's poetic talent, but it is not possible to remain unaware of *psychic lostness* which was gloriously embellished by startling imagery. So, the *mood* takes over and becomes the main thing.

Up goes the anchor!

On the whole, then, what goes on here is and ecatment, a rehearsal, of those tales told by people in a condition of "the ground sinking away under our feet" to quote Suzuki.

OK my beloved morons: let the sparks fly! 😂
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No, really, really seriously.

Well, if only up in the intellectual clouds, of course.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:39 pm

Up goes the anchor!
Not too far, Alexis. :shock:
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Harbal wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:00 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:39 pm

Up goes the anchor!
Not too far, Alexis. :shock:
I hope he doesn't have to throw himself overboard, however, with a grip like his, he might do a better job of keeping things steady without movement.
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:39 pm
On the whole, then, what goes on here is and ecatment, a rehearsal, of those tales told by people in a condition of "the ground sinking away under our feet" to quote Suzuki.
One seeks value in a state of near emptiness not unlike the universe which arises from a state of Nothing paradoxically seeking its own content revealing existence itself to be a paradox...a perennial question of WHY! With perennial questions, the responses never cease. Such is metaphysics.

In effect, meaning, value, purpose is best sought in a state of emptiness which imposes less friction on thought; not in trying to reorder confusion into something sensible. Hence, the metaphor of allowing the psyche to float without obstruction which impede its search to find only what lies beneath the waters wherein every living species becomes a revelation or near to one.
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Not wishing to argue with, or against, your assertion, I just note the additional commentary you’ve brought out and, as is my bent, try to see it in an evolving context. That context being 1) personal unraveling and dissolution and 2) cultural degeneracy and civilizational degeneration.

Is it true? Is it practicable? My initial reaction is, no, it isn’t. It can be a personal choice however. Imagine teaching such a doctrine (DAM I expect some comments from you) or building anything on this base.

It seems to be a personal statement and therefore one of subjective choice.

Where, how and why have such ideas presented themselves as viable, reasonable choices?

I await instruction from my various teachers.
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