Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:17 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:11 pm
VVilliam wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:30 pm
Are you therefore arguing that it is
impossible for The Creator to make such happen?
Not at all, if He wanted to. I'm simply arguing that when twelve people all experience exactly the same thing, we don't ordinarily assume they are being deluded. We generally suspect hallucination only when one person "experiences" something that nobody else does. When many see the same thing, as in the feeding of the 5,000 for example, or when there are over 500 independent witnesses to the resurrection of a dead man, we would say that's no "hallucination" at all. And we would need an awfully persuasive argument to justify us in taking any other view.
So you get it? Most of the things in your alleged "list" are not things that could even plausibly be attributed to "alternate realities" or "hallucinations"? Fair enough.
No. What I get is that we agree that it is
possible for The Creator to inject such into any reality experience even in a 'for your eyes -but not your eyes - only' fashion.
Which is why I am now specifically going to focus upon the temptation of Christ, because it most fits with you critique above,
It's hard to see how. Are you going to find some way of showing that what Jesus Christ experience there was an "alternate reality" that nobody else could have seen?
Not really. Nobody else experienced it with him, except Satan...because Satan was a part of Jesus' experience.
But I am not saying that others couldn't have a similar experience...
Jesus was by himself in the desert so in that, whether some onlooker could have seen what went down, would be up to The Creators discretion.
But we do not know, for there is no known record of anyone else being there at the time it was happening.
That would be hard to do, since there was nobody else there to witness it, and no part of the Biblical account attributes it either to a hallucination or to an alternate reality...
But have a go. What's your evidence?
Do you think there is a difference between alternate reality and hallucination? If so, why?
So let me pose the question again: when you had your "alternate reality" experience, did anybody else see what you saw? Were there a dozen on hand as witnesses? Was there even one?
Yes - there was at least one. Myself.
"Witnesses," I said. Not "the alleged experiencer." I know the experiencer was you...you said so.
So you think that the one experiencing is not a witness to his own experience?
I want to know if you have any way of knowing whether you were seeing things, or just "seeing things."
Which leads me to ask again....Do you think there is a difference between alternate reality and hallucination? If so, why?
So the non-sarcastic answer is "No"? So far as you know, there was nobody present to confirm what you thought you were "seeing"?
Oh there was/is always someone. The Creator.
In one particular alternate experience I did share that with another Entity, but I do not know how you would go about questioning said entity for his side of that story. He was not human, but he was defiantly really in the experience - he was the leading character actually...