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The “To understand a proposition means to know what is the case if it is true” (4.024), and “a proposition can be true or false only in virtue of being a picture of reality”Moreover, “To understand a proposition means to know what is the case if it is true” (4.024), and “a proposition can be true or false only in virtue of being a picture of reality” (4.06).
Now, take the proposition ‘the cat is on the chair’, and imagine the spatial arrangement of the cat being on the chair. That arrangement – cat on chair – is what Wittgenstein calls the sense of the proposition. The sense of a proposition is the state of affairs to which it corresponds: “A proposition shows how things stand if it is true” (4.022). The nouns in a propositional sign (for instance, in the sentence ‘the cat is on the chair’) correspond to the things involved in the state of affairs expressed by the propositional sign (3.21), such that “a name means an object” (3.203); for instance, ‘cat’ means the cat. If there is not a cat on a chair, then the expressed proposition “will not be nonsensical… but simply false” (3.24); yet “if a proposition has no sense, nothing corresponds to it, since it does not designate a thing” (4.063) – that is, a proposition is nonsensical if there is no possible state of affairs that it pictures. Moreover, to Wittgenstein, the simple sign ‘cat’ lacks sense, since only propositions have sense.
The point would be that understanding that proposition would mean knowing what is the case if it is true.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 amThe “To understand a proposition means to know what is the case if it is true” (4.024), and “a proposition can be true or false only in virtue of being a picture of reality”Moreover, “To understand a proposition means to know what is the case if it is true” (4.024), and “a proposition can be true or false only in virtue of being a picture of reality” (4.06).
Now, take the proposition ‘the cat is on the chair’, and imagine the spatial arrangement of the cat being on the chair. That arrangement – cat on chair – is what Wittgenstein calls the sense of the proposition. The sense of a proposition is the state of affairs to which it corresponds: “A proposition shows how things stand if it is true” (4.022). The nouns in a propositional sign (for instance, in the sentence ‘the cat is on the chair’) correspond to the things involved in the state of affairs expressed by the propositional sign (3.21), such that “a name means an object” (3.203); for instance, ‘cat’ means the cat. If there is not a cat on a chair, then the expressed proposition “will not be nonsensical… but simply false” (3.24); yet “if a proposition has no sense, nothing corresponds to it, since it does not designate a thing” (4.063) – that is, a proposition is nonsensical if there is no possible state of affairs that it pictures. Moreover, to Wittgenstein, the simple sign ‘cat’ lacks sense, since only propositions have sense.
I'm thinking of a cat with its claws out hanging on the fabric at the side of the chair. Is the proposition "the cat is on the chair" TRUE or FALSE or OTHER?
Well, the cat IS on the chair, I am just being pedantic about what is intended to be a metaphor.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:28 pmThe point would be that understanding that proposition would mean knowing what is the case if it is true.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 amThe “To understand a proposition means to know what is the case if it is true” (4.024), and “a proposition can be true or false only in virtue of being a picture of reality”Moreover, “To understand a proposition means to know what is the case if it is true” (4.024), and “a proposition can be true or false only in virtue of being a picture of reality” (4.06).
Now, take the proposition ‘the cat is on the chair’, and imagine the spatial arrangement of the cat being on the chair. That arrangement – cat on chair – is what Wittgenstein calls the sense of the proposition. The sense of a proposition is the state of affairs to which it corresponds: “A proposition shows how things stand if it is true” (4.022). The nouns in a propositional sign (for instance, in the sentence ‘the cat is on the chair’) correspond to the things involved in the state of affairs expressed by the propositional sign (3.21), such that “a name means an object” (3.203); for instance, ‘cat’ means the cat. If there is not a cat on a chair, then the expressed proposition “will not be nonsensical… but simply false” (3.24); yet “if a proposition has no sense, nothing corresponds to it, since it does not designate a thing” (4.063) – that is, a proposition is nonsensical if there is no possible state of affairs that it pictures. Moreover, to Wittgenstein, the simple sign ‘cat’ lacks sense, since only propositions have sense.
I'm thinking of a cat with its claws out hanging on the fabric at the side of the chair. Is the proposition "the cat is on the chair" TRUE or FALSE or OTHER?
I noted the following from Robert Hanna;Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:28 pmThe point would be that understanding that proposition would mean knowing what is the case if it is true.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 amThe “To understand a proposition means to know what is the case if it is true” (4.024), and “a proposition can be true or false only in virtue of being a picture of reality”Moreover, “To understand a proposition means to know what is the case if it is true” (4.024), and “a proposition can be true or false only in virtue of being a picture of reality” (4.06).
Now, take the proposition ‘the cat is on the chair’, and imagine the spatial arrangement of the cat being on the chair. That arrangement – cat on chair – is what Wittgenstein calls the sense of the proposition. The sense of a proposition is the state of affairs to which it corresponds: “A proposition shows how things stand if it is true” (4.022). The nouns in a propositional sign (for instance, in the sentence ‘the cat is on the chair’) correspond to the things involved in the state of affairs expressed by the propositional sign (3.21), such that “a name means an object” (3.203); for instance, ‘cat’ means the cat. If there is not a cat on a chair, then the expressed proposition “will not be nonsensical… but simply false” (3.24); yet “if a proposition has no sense, nothing corresponds to it, since it does not designate a thing” (4.063) – that is, a proposition is nonsensical if there is no possible state of affairs that it pictures. Moreover, to Wittgenstein, the simple sign ‘cat’ lacks sense, since only propositions have sense.
I'm thinking of a cat with its claws out hanging on the fabric at the side of the chair. Is the proposition "the cat is on the chair" TRUE or FALSE or OTHER?
Russell wrote:Among these surprising possibilities, doubt suggests that perhaps there is no table at all.
-Chapter 1 - Problems of Philosophy
attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 am I'm thinking of a cat with its claws out hanging on the fabric at the side of the chair. Is the proposition "the cat is on the chair" TRUE or FALSE or OTHER?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDiENpmpY78attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:32 am Well, the cat IS on the chair, I am just being pedantic about what is intended to be a metaphor.
Interestingly Note @7.14Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:26 amattofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 am I'm thinking of a cat with its claws out hanging on the fabric at the side of the chair. Is the proposition "the cat is on the chair" TRUE or FALSE or OTHER?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDiENpmpY78attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:32 am Well, the cat IS on the chair, I am just being pedantic about what is intended to be a metaphor.
The point about cats and tables is at about the 6 minute mark.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indetermi ... ranslationVeritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:34 amInterestingly Note @7.14Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:26 amattofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:56 am I'm thinking of a cat with its claws out hanging on the fabric at the side of the chair. Is the proposition "the cat is on the chair" TRUE or FALSE or OTHER?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDiENpmpY78attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:32 am Well, the cat IS on the chair, I am just being pedantic about what is intended to be a metaphor.
The point about cats and tables is at about the 6 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/TDiENpmpY78?t=435
which align with the point by Wittgenstein above
- "The limit of language is shown by its being impossible to describe the fact which corresponds to (is the translation of) a sentence, without simply repeating the sentence.
(This has to do with the Kantian solution of the problem of philosophy.)"
Wittgenstein, Culture and Value, p. 10e.
Quine hammered the last nail in the coffin of the bastardized philosophies of Analtism [analytism] adopted by Pantflasher, Peter Holmes, Sculptor, TerrapinStation and the likes and yet they are still trying to shout with their final breaths.Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:48 amhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indetermi ... ranslationVeritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:34 amInterestingly Note @7.14Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:26 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDiENpmpY78
The point about cats and tables is at about the 6 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/TDiENpmpY78?t=435
which align with the point by Wittgenstein above
- "The limit of language is shown by its being impossible to describe the fact which corresponds to (is the translation of) a sentence, without simply repeating the sentence.
(This has to do with the Kantian solution of the problem of philosophy.)"
Wittgenstein, Culture and Value, p. 10e.
Quine hated being called a postmodernist, but he sure furthered the postmodern idea of plurality of meaning/truth.