Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:46 am
Yes it is true that you are free to end your own life, so that you are free of living.
But while you are alive in a world of others,
Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:08 amIs that the "others" that you INSIST do NOT exist?
Yes, it's the ''others'' that do not exist, except within the dream of conceptual separation.
So, this "world of others", which 'you' talk about, is just within 'your' OWN dream, and thus of 'your' OWN making, of 'conceptual separation', correct?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pm I really wish you would listen to what I discuss regarding the nature of Self, I've repeated this to you many times.
But just repeating some thing does NOT make that thing true, right, NOR correct, correct?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmYou are one who does not listen to other peoples dialog, preferring to repeat your own worn out manic mantras.
This is correct. But, then again, and unlike 'you', 'I' do KNOW, and can EXPLAIN, what the ACTUAL difference is between the, so called, "you" and the 'I'.
By the way, if my, so called, "worn out manic mantras" are being repeated, then 'you' would have NO issue remembering them, correct? So, I wonder if you actually even do KNOW what they are. Can you, and will you, PROVE that 'you' have actually been listening to 'I'?
See, to some, what you just said here is a True reflection of theat one, called, "dontaskme".
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmAnd so here we are once again, arguing the same old crap comments over and over again. Please keep on topic or just shut up.
I kept on topic. Your allegation here is just plain FALSE and WRONG.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmNo offence Age, but your comments are just plain boring and extremely tedious and mostly irrelevant 99% of the time...
How you find my comments has absolutely NO bearing on the fact if they PROVE your comments WRONG ornot.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmit's the comments that are dull and pointless and add nothing to the discussion except headache inducing chaos.
Well I suggest NOT reading them or read them, and then just ignore them.
Just because the 'you' and the 'I'm here have completely opposing views does NOT mean that 'you're HAVE TO allow 'Me' to affect 'you' so much.
Now if you could just discuss my topics normally, possibly of a nature that is relevent, coherent and stimulating, maybe even add something new and exciting once in awhile would be welcome, but I wont be holding my breath that any such sensibility will spring forth from you, I'm beginning to think that normal conversation with you will not happen any time soon, so all I can do is live in hope.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmDontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:46 am
you have no freedom except the freedom to believe you have freedom when you really don't.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:08 amIf you CHOOSE to make this CHOICE, then so be it.
Humans are not free, never have been, never will be.
This is just what you BELIEVE is true.
And while you continue to hold and maintain this BELIEF, then there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that can show you otherwise. In BELIEF You are NOT free to be able to see the actual Truth. In other words, you are TRAPPED within, and by, your very OWN BELIEF here.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmThere are plenty of examples that will prove this.
Would you care to provide some, or one?
If you did, then we, at least, have some thing to look at, and discuss.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmAlso, it is idiotic for humans to think they are free, when, while and where there are other people to consider, this is just a plain simple truth that their freedom does not exist.
This does NOT logically follower. This is just you trying to find, and say, absolutely ANY thing to try to back up and support your ALREADY HELD BELIEF.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmThis is a fact. So can we please keep to the actual subject that states humans are not free while they are alive.
If that was a fact, then what else is there to discuss?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmAnd yes, it is a fact that humans are free to kill themselves, to be free of living, but this is not about freedomless freedom, it's about conceptual freedom.
Oh okay.
If human beings can conceptualize absolutely any thing, then they are free.
Some human beings are able to conceptualize absolutely any thing.
Therefore, some human beings are free, (according to "dontaskme's", so called, "logic".
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:45 pmAge please stop twisting and changing the subject and putting words in other peoples mouths that they did not say or mean by injecting your own meaning to what is being discussed, you do this all the time and it's a habitual process that causes the derailing of the thread topic, it's so annoying.
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If I have this much control over you, then no wonder 'you' feel so trapped and NOT free.
By the way, what words, exactly, have I allegedly put into "other's" mouths?