You're telling me know that you don't know what language is? (Or are you playing stupid?)
metaphysics is...
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I am not telling you any such things.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:25 pm You're telling me know that you don't know what language is? (Or are you playing stupid?)
I sure have a concept for language.
I don't know if it "obtains". How do you suggest I determine that?
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By learning some philosophy vocabulary before you try to argue about philosophy.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:25 pmI am not telling you any such things.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:25 pm You're telling me know that you don't know what language is? (Or are you playing stupid?)
I sure have a concept for language.
I don't know if it "obtains". How do you suggest I determine that?
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Does philosophy obtain?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:30 pm By learning some philosophy vocabulary before you try to argue about philosophy.
I thought I made it perfectly clear - I am not arguing. The way you are using the word "argue" - it doesn't obtain.
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Also, I thought I explained this to you, but incase you missed it. My science (computer science) concerns itself with metalinguistic abstraction.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:30 pm By learning some philosophy vocabulary before you try to argue about philosophy.
So when philosophers invented the vocabulary of "things obtaining", what problem were they trying to solve?In computer science, metalinguistic abstraction is the process of solving complex problems by creating a new language or vocabulary to better understand the problem space.
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How would you figure out if it does?
Apparently you were under the mistaken impression that you were being asked about this.I thought I made it perfectly clear - I am not arguing.
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That's precisely what I am asking you.
The word "obtain" is in your vocabulary! Surely you have a criterion for things "obtaining".
What is it?
Apparently you were under the mistaken impression that I was arguing.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:36 pm Apparently you were under the mistaken impression that you were being asked about this.
Now you are being told that I am not arguing.
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You can't even convince me that there is any value in philosophy! Why would anybody waste their time/money learning anything a philosopher has to teach?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:45 pm If you have no idea how you'd figure it out you're in the wrong class in lieu of an attitude adjustment.
All you've done so far is appeal to your vocabularies. What so special about your particular vocabularies when I have the know-how for inventing languages?
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Isn't that an ad-hominem?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:57 pm Apparently you missed me saying that I'd not bother trying to convince you of this? I have zero interest in that with you, because of your personality.
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Ad hominem is a fallacy, which means that it occurs in the context of an argument. Fallacies are pertinent to argumentation. They don't amount to anything in other contexts.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:00 pmIsn't that an ad-hominem?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 9:57 pm Apparently you missed me saying that I'd not bother trying to convince you of this? I have zero interest in that with you, because of your personality.
The whole issue with fallacies is that they fail to guarantee validity. Validity obtains when it impossible that premises are true and a conclusion false. So fallacies are a category error outside of the context of argumentation with premises and a conclusion.
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ZenoAge wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:51 amIf this statement, proposition, claim, perspective is NOT from 'your' perspective, then WHERE did 'it' come from, EXACTLY?
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And you have repetitively stated that you are of the belief that I am arguing.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:02 pm Ad hominem is a fallacy, which means that it occurs in the context of an argument.
So in the context of your own damn mind (in which you believe that I am arguing) you are also attacking me instead of my argument (that I am supposedly making).Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:02 pm Fallacies are pertinent to argumentation. They don't amount to anything in other contexts.
So that's an ad-hominem
Are you now saying that I am not arguing?
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I'm simply reporting to you that I'd not bother trying to persuade you of anything. That's not an argument with premises and a conclusion. It's a report about a disposition I have.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:07 pmAnd you have repetitively stated that you are of the belief that I am arguing.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:02 pm Ad hominem is a fallacy, which means that it occurs in the context of an argument.
So in the context of your own damn mind (in which you believe that I am arguing) you are also attacking me instead of my argument (that I am supposedly making).Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:02 pm Fallacies are pertinent to argumentation. They don't amount to anything in other contexts.
So that's an ad-hominem
Are you now saying that I am not arguing?