putting religion in it's proper place

[Advocate]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit. And to say that most of it was not good or legitimate religion is another mark against it for being so easily corruptible.

[Veritas Aequitas]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit. And to say that most of it was not good or legitimate religion is another mark against it for being so easily corruptible.

Your above is too short-sighted.

You cannot conflate religion with the human beings who adopted religion for religious purposes.

• 1. A religion is constituted and conditioned by its specific ideology.
  A religion's constitutions can be overridingly pacifist or contain evil laden elements.
  
  2. A human being is constituted by human nature with its generic nature and variable forms. Human beings are potential good and evil where some are actively good and actively evil.

Christianity and Buddhism are overridingly pacifists.
Christianity as driven by the Gospels has this overriding pacifist maxim in its constitution, i.e. love all even enemies. As such the ideology of Christianity cannot be condoning evil and violence to all and even enemies.

Christians are fundamentally humans where there is a percentile of them who are inherently evil prone having the active tendency to commit evil and violence.
If this percentile of Christian committed evil and violence, they are doing it as driven from their own human nature and not driven by Christianity and its doctrine.
In this case, you cannot blame the religion of Christianity for the killings, violence and harms caused by human beings who happened to be Christians.

You can only blame a religion for being harmful if its ideology and constitution contain evil and harm laden elements where believers are obliged to execute those harm as a duty of being a believer of that religion. The only religion that has such features of evil, violence and harm in its constitution is Islam.
Therefore those Muslims who are evil prone will feast on the evil elements that are constituted within Islam.

Even the good natured Muslims will have to commit evil, violence and harm to non-Muslims since they are contracted to obey all the commands of Allah when they submit to be Muslims. Fortunately the majority of Muslims do not comply with the terms of their contract as a Muslim thoroughly; most Muslims are ignorant of the existence of a covenant and its total terms.

You cannot blindly conflate the constitution of religion with the constitution of being human, then blame all religions as harmful.

[Advocate]

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More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit. And to say that most of it was not good or legitimate religion is another mark against it for being so easily corruptible.
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Your above is too short-sighted.

You cannot conflate religion with the human beings who adopted religion for religious purposes.

[list]1. A religion is constituted and conditioned by its specific ideology.
A religion's constitutions can be overridingly pacifist or contain evil laden elements.

2. A human being is constituted by human nature with its generic nature and variable forms. Human beings are potential good and evil where some are actively good and actively evil.[/list]

Christianity and Buddhism are overridingly pacifists.
Christianity as driven by the Gospels has this overriding pacifist maxim in its constitution, i.e. love all even enemies. As such the ideology of Christianity cannot be condoning evil and violence to all and even enemies.

Christians are fundamentally humans where there is a percentile of them who are inherently evil prone having the active tendency to commit evil and violence.
If this percentile of Christian committed evil and violence, they are doing it as driven from their own human nature and not driven by Christianity and its doctrine.
In this case, you cannot blame the religion of Christianity for the killings, violence and harms caused by human beings who happened to be Christians.

You can only blame a religion for being harmful if its ideology and constitution contain evil and harm laden elements where believers are obliged to execute those harm as a duty of being a believer of that religion. The only religion that has such features of evil, violence and harm in its constitution is Islam.
Therefore those Muslims who are evil prone will feast on the evil elements that are constituted within Islam.

Even the good natured Muslims will have to commit evil, violence and harm to non-Muslims since they are contracted to obey all the commands of Allah when they submit to be Muslims. Fortunately the majority of Muslims do not comply with the terms of their contract as a Muslim thoroughly; most Muslims are ignorant of the existence of a covenant and its total terms.

You cannot blindly conflate the constitution of religion with the constitution of being human, then blame all religions as harmful.
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Yes i can.

[Veritas Aequitas]

Yes i can.

How and on what basis?

[Greatest I am]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit. And to say that most of it was not good or legitimate religion is another mark against it for being so easily corruptible.

Your above is too short-sighted.

You cannot conflate religion with the human beings who adopted religion for religious purposes.

• 1. A religion is constituted and conditioned by its specific ideology.
  A religion's constitutions can be overridingly pacifist or contain evil laden elements.
  
  2. A human being is constituted by human nature with its generic nature and variable forms. Human beings are potential good and evil where some are actively good and actively evil.

Christianity and Buddhism are overridingly pacifists.
Christianity as driven by the Gospels has this overriding pacifist maxim in its constitution, i.e. love all even enemies. As such the ideology of Christianity cannot be condoning evil and violence to all and even enemies.

Christians are fundamentally humans where there is a percentile of them who are inherently evil prone having the active tendency to commit evil and violence.
If this percentile of Christian committed evil and violence, they are doing it as driven from their own human nature and not driven by Christianity and its doctrine.
In this case, you cannot blame the religion of Christianity for the killings, violence and harms caused by human beings who happened to be Christians.

You can only blame a religion for being harmful if its ideology and constitution contain evil and harm laden elements where believers are obliged to execute those harm as a duty of being a believer of that religion. The only religion that has such features of evil, violence and harm in its constitution is Islam.
Therefore those Muslims who are evil prone will feast on the evil elements that are constituted within Islam.

Even the good natured Muslims will have to commit evil, violence and harm to non-Muslims since they are contracted to obey all the commands of Allah when they submit to be Muslims. Fortunately the majority of Muslims do not comply with the terms of their contract as a Muslim thoroughly; most Muslims are ignorant of the existence of a covenant and its total terms.

You cannot blindly conflate the constitution of religion with the constitution of being human, then blame all religions as harmful.

Why do religions of love use inquisitions and jihads?

The mainstream religions continue to be homophobic and misogynous and adore a genocidal god.

What possible benefit to us are they when they discriminate against half the world population without a just cause?

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit.

Hmm...by any fair assessment, one could only say that that's grossly statistically false.

Far and away, by orders of magnitude, the harm done by Socialism/Communism has vastly outstripped even the worst abuses "religion" has ever been accused of. In the last century alone, over 140 million people died in entirely secular wars, over 100 million of them under Socialist and Communist regimes. Nothing even remotely close to that has been achieved by any religion, even the most violent, or even by all of them put together, throughout the entire span of recorded history.

Meanwhile, some "religions" are historically tied to absolutely no deaths or damage at all. Not any. So whatever "religion" is taken to be, it can't all be equal.

How can a guy be so statistically wrong? It boggles the mind.

[Greatest I am]

Immanuel Can

The vast majority have always been the religious, and only a statistical fool will try to pin recent wars on the non-religious.

What was the S.S. buckle again? God is with us.

Strange that atheists would call on god.

Regards
DL

[Immanuel Can]

Immanuel Can

The vast majority have always been the religious, and only a statistical fool will try to pin recent wars on the non-religious.

Really?

Which of the major wars of the 20th Century was "religious"? The first and second World Wars? The Cold War? The Korean War? The Vietnam War? The Spanish Civil War? The Boer War? Because already, you have, in just the two world wars, vast majority of people ever killed in any war, anytime.

So there's obviously no way you're right.

[RCSaunders]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit.

The opposite of profit is loss. Anything done for any reason other than profit is either worthless or desctructive.

[Immanuel Can]

More harm has been done in the name of religion than any other cause but profit.

The opposite of profit is loss. Anything done for any reason other than profit is either worthless or desctructive.

Good point.

Leftist have a hatred of success, though. They think that if you are prospering, it must mean you are an "oppressor," and "stole" something from other people. How else could you possibly have gotten prosperous? They can't imagine any other way anybody could end up successful, so in their minds, profit is just a damnable evidence, an absolute certification of your wickedness. This is because they think wealth is zero-sum, and not creatable or increasable; there's only so much wealth in the world. So they reason that if you have more profit than somebody else, it can only be because they have less, and you must have stolen from them.

Of course, they're wrong. But nobody can ever tell them that.

Really, Leftism is the valorization of sloth, failure and envy. And anything productive, profitable, exceptional, meaningful or excellent is something they always hate, because it shows "inequity."

[Veritas Aequitas]

Why do religions of love use inquisitions and jihads?

The mainstream religions continue to be homophobic and misogynous and adore a genocidal god.

What possible benefit to us are they when they discriminate against half the world population without a just cause?

Regards
DL

My point is we need to separate the doctrines and ideology of each religion from its believers.

• 1. Religions: There are [a] good and [.b] bad/evil religions
  2. Believers: There are [a] good and [.b] bad people.

The most evil religion is Islam while Christianity has bad elements.

In the case of Christianity has an overriding pacifist maxim such as 'love all - even enemies' [love all humans] that meant the doctrines of Christianity do not permit Christians to hate humans like homosexuals, be sexists and be negative toward any other human.
Even though there are negative verses on homosexuality in the Bible, the 'love all' verses override them. Thus if any Christian were to hate or kill human[s], hate homosexuals, be sexists they cannot be doing that upon the doctrines of Christianity.
As such those Christians who killed and commit evil acts were doing it as bad people [2b] and not driven by the doctrines of Christianity which are good [1a].

In the case of Islam, the religion is inherently evil [1a].
Within the 1.5 billion Muslims there are bad people [2b] which is about 20% [best guess] which is 300 millions and these bad people will natural be inclined to feast on the "unconditional" evil elements within the doctrines of Islam. The consequences are so evident.

[Belinda]

All ideologies are corruptible . No ideology originates in Heaven but all ideologies are man made. The ideology of Xianity is man made and has often been corrupted and still is being corrupted.

Anybody is gullible who puts their faith in the ideology of any religious body.

[Sculptor]

All ideologies are corruptible . No ideology originates in Heaven but all ideologies are man made. The ideology of Xianity is man made and has often been corrupted and still is being corrupted.

Anybody is gullible who puts their faith in the ideology of any religious body.

All ideologies are corrupt, never mind corruptible.

[Belinda]

All ideologies are corruptible . No ideology originates in Heaven but all ideologies are man made. The ideology of Xianity is man made and has often been corrupted and still is being corrupted.

Anybody is gullible who puts their faith in the ideology of any religious body.

All ideologies are corrupt, never mind corruptible.

I don't agree, because many people who invent an ideology have the best of intentions to be kind and selfless.However if you were to push me to name who I cannot.

[Sculptor]

All ideologies are corruptible . No ideology originates in Heaven but all ideologies are man made. The ideology of Xianity is man made and has often been corrupted and still is being corrupted.

Anybody is gullible who puts their faith in the ideology of any religious body.

All ideologies are corrupt, never mind corruptible.

I don't agree, because many people who invent an ideology have the best of intentions to be kind and selfless.However if you were to push me to name who I cannot.

Corruption and kindness are not mutually exclusive.

I not sure people set out to invent and ideology. I think ideals tend to emerge into ideologies, but "ideology" is most often intended as a word to indicate a situation when a set of ideals have broken through the barrier of reason, and has become a single lens through which people tend to see the world, blinkered.