Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 11:54 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 5:20 am
You run out of counters and arguments?
If you are a moral relativists, you MUST tolerate the above [that others can torture and kill babies for pleasure if and if that morally permitted within their culture] morally and will not do anything about it morally.
For there to be a counter argument there has to be argument.
You argument goes like this...
My personal moral view is best, therefore objective.
RUn along and play on the motorway
That is your usual running away when your arguments are failing and the going tough. You have a cognitive deficit to grasp the argument I have presented?
The argument in this thread is simply;
From the scientific realist [Boyd] view [ which I don't agree];
1. Science study patterns and make inferences to discover features of objective reality
2. Boyd argued, there are patterns in morality which science can discovers its related features of objective reality; thus there is moral realism and morality is objective.
3. I gave one example of the evident pattern of moral elements, i.e. the oughtnot-ness to torture and kill babies for pleasure. This is the cause why all humans do commit such evil acts; we do not have reports of such acts had been done by anyone [if any, it is due to mental illness].
So, do you accept Boyd's argument or you think he is talking nonsense.
Read Boyd's argument in the link above.
I do not agree with Boyd's scientific realism which I believe is unnecessary.
Boyd could simply refer to science and scientific objectivity which can then be extended to moral objectivity.
This is what I did with 3 above.
The VERY evident pattern of moral elements, i.e. the oughtnot-ness to torture and kill babies for pleasure infer objectivity [inherent and agreed by all normal humans], very plausible to be confirm by science [FSERC], so its scientific objectivity and thus moral objectivity when dealt within a moral FSERC.
I have dealt with 'what is objectivity' in depth in these threads:
What is Philosophical Objectivity?
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=31416
There are Two Senses of 'Objectivity'
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39326
The Two Faces of Objectivity
viewtopic.php?t=41214
Scientific Objectivity
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39286 Jan 13, 2023
What is Moral Objectivity?
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30707