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(Continued from prior post)
I am picking up where I left off from your post to Lacewing where you were giving your assessment of something I said to her (of which I quote isolated for the sake of clarity):
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:08 pm
seeds wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:14 am
“... the fabric of matter appears to be made of the very essence of imagination itself...”
and
seeds wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:14 am
“the stars, planets, oceans, trees, bodies, brains, etc., seem to be made from a substance that is capable of becoming absolutely anything 'imaginable' (as in 'mindstuff'),”
is pure mystic supernaturalism couched in pseudo-scientific language.
Earlier, you stated the following:
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:32 pm
I'm truly curious how people come to your view. It was Plato's as well. Always wished I could ask him how he knew what a cave was.
Well, ironically, as you insist that my ideas are...
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:08 pm
“...pure mystic supernaturalism couched in pseudo-scientific language...”
...you are demonstrating for us - in real time - precisely what a person who is chained and forced to view the shadows on the wall of Plato’s cave would say.
Now I am not suggesting that Plato’s cave analogy can’t be nonsense. However, aren’t you the least bit concerned that you may be presenting yourself as the poster boy for what Plato was alluding to?
I mean, are you comfortable with the fact that you are demonstrating exactly what the analogy predicts regarding the utter futility of trying to convince the cave dwellers that they are viewing illusions?
Furthermore, how in the world is it “mystic supernaturalism” to proclaim that the near infinite variety of material objects that makeup the universe are constructed from what seems to be an infinitely malleable substance that,...
...depending on the arrangement of its informationally-based quantum waveforms,...
...can pretty much become, again, anything imaginable - as is presented to us, again, in the near infinite variety of the material objects of the universe?
I’m sorry, RC, but if you truly think that my presenting an obvious fact of reality is nothing more than...
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:08 pm
“...pure mystic supernaturalism couched in pseudo-scientific language...”
...then it is clear to me that you just haven’t put enough effort into considering the metaphysical implications of quantum mechanics.
Now, of course, you certainly are in good company in that regard, because a lot of respected physicists who live by the “shut up and calculate” motto are right there with you.
Now with all of that being said, please understand that I honestly don’t mean to be insulting to you in any way.
However, as I always say to all hardcore materialists in debates such as this, the more heartfelt and articulate you are in expressing your faith in materialism, then the more you demonstrate – in direct proportion to the strength of your faith – the depth and degree of your somnambulism.
In other words, the harder you argue for materialism, then the more you make obvious the degree to which you are being fooled by the shadows in Plato’s cave.
Nevertheless, if that is how you personally choose to “enjoy your life,” then, by all means, carry on.
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