Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
Sorry, I’ve read and reread these posts of yours many times, slept on it and red them again, but I can’t seem to figure out how you are thinking or what you are getting at, other than maybe you are still misunderstanding much of what I’m trying to say.
How I think is like a scientist, stripes earned in the trenches of empiricism and all that.
How I think is like a monist and my monism is like Atla's non-dualism (but he will vehemently reject this for Philosophical reasons).
So the crux of the issue is thus: I may be qualia blind as you define it, but I am not qualia blind in practice, because I AM saying things like "my monism is like Atla's non-dualism". And I CAN say those things without having to build the contraption that you are trying to build.
So if your goal is to simply acquire the language to say "My X is like your Y" - humans are already doing this! I am already doing this. You haven't figured out how to do it.
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
The real problem with the explanatory gap and theories of qualia in general, is that no current theories provide any predictions that are falsifiable.
But that's not true at all! I have a prediction for you - light with wavelength from 622 to 780 nanometers is what causes my "redness".
I have no idea what causes yours. If you look at light with that particular frequency, do you experience "redness"
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
That is why it is called “philosophy of mind” rather than “theoretical science of mind”
Then stop listening to philosophers and start listening to scientists.
People who don't need a theory to explain empiricism to them.
People who understand empiricism.... empirically.
To put it in your language: people who are not qualia-blind with respect to empiricism itself.
Philosophers don't even have a model for a "mind" - how could they possibly predict anything about minds?
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
For example, a simple form of
Molecular Materialism predicts that our description of glutamate, reacting in a synapse, is a description of what we directly experience as redness.
OK, but why is glutamate a better description than light with wavelength of 622 to 780 nanometers?
What does glutamate give you in the way of bridging the explanatory gap that light doesn't?
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
So, if someone experiences redness, with no glutamate present, theory falsified.
If somebody is experiencing "redness" with no glumamate present, you have falsified glutamate but you haven't falsified light with wavelength of 622 to 780 nanometers.
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
Then you substitute out glutamate, for some other theory’s prediction of what redness is, until you find something that cannot be falsified.
I have it already. Light with wavelength of 622 to 780 nanometers
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
Then you will verifiably know, in a way that cannot be experimentally falsified, which of all our abstract descriptions of stuff in the brain is a description of subjective redness.
I know that already. It's light with wavelength of 622 to 780 nanometers.
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
So how is this clear theoretical description of how to falsify these theories of qualia, not knowing how to “falsify their own theories”?
I know how to falsify my own theory. Find something that correlates with my "redness" better than light with wavelength of 622 to 780 nanometers.
If you can make me experience "redness" without there being a light source of wavelength of 622 to 780 nanometers - theory of light falsified!
Theory of <however you made me experience redness> confirmed!
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
What you say is true, if all you have is the a-posteriori sources of information you describe. But, if you also have
neural ponytails, in addition to the speaking of language you describe (someone could be lying) you can be directly aware of their qualia, a-priori directly knowing if they are mistaken or not about their redness being like your greenness. So, it seems to me this is an unjustified claim.
But if you could invent telepathy we wouldn't even NEED language! You wouldn't even need the word "redness", or the word "knowledge", or the word "qualia".
The very linguistic expression "I know what my redness is like" becomes completely unnecessary if we can tap into each other's minds via network cables (neural ponytails).
That IS the very function of language. It's the network cable.
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
Similarly, if your theory, or model, or the way you describe qualia, or your experimental results, only uses one word for all things red (i.e. All current peer reviewed science), then it is a “qualia blind” theory/work
OK, so how many words do you think we should use to describe "redness"? How many synonyms do you think is enough?
Is there any point at which having 8 billion words for one experience becomes ridiculous?
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
. The way you ‘cure someone’ from qualia blindness, by definition, is you teach them to use two words, like red and redness, and
why this is important.
I am already using them the way you are trying to teach me to use them.
That is why I am saying things like "my X is like your Y".
If you dig deeper into this forum, you'll see that one of my claims is that I can make words mean anything, which is intended to be understood as "I can make redness mean greenness". I think I have even been accused of arguing that black is white, and white is black.
I stand guilty as charged. It's intentional. I will use the word I want to use to communicate my message. If your "whiteness" is like my "blackness" then I will argue that white is black.
The trouble with Philosophers is that they don't understand what language is or how it works. They spent all their lives avoiding contradictions rather than embracing them as tools for inter-personal communication.
There is nothing wrong with being wrong. It's just language.
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
If you want to say I am blind in some other way (please provide and define a different term than qualia blindness)
No. I am going to use EXACTLY your term. It's intentional and necessary. Because science, and because the error in your approach is precisely in the false belief of definitions. You don't understand how language works.
The sentence "Brent.Allsop is qualia blind" makes a claim about reality. It makes a claim about you.
If that sentence is meaningful to you, then you should be able to apply empiricism to self - you should have a way to test AND falsify your own hypothesis about yourself.
How would you falsify it?
Brent.Allsop wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 4:57 am
, or say that your argument should falsify RQT for me, or something, that is fine, but please do not completely miss use the term qualia blindness like this, as RQT, by definition, is not qualia blind, so someone supporting RQT, by definition is already cured from ‘qualia blindness’.
You don't need other people's theories/language to do science on yourself.
Qualitatively you understand what "qualia blindness" means to you. Obviously - because it's your phrase.
If you are qualia blind then you should be able to make testable/falsifiable predictions about your future self.