Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:19 am
"ALL Humans Ought To Breathe" is a Moral Objective Law as evident and justified from empirical evidence on human nature.
This is proof, that 'ought' can be derived from "is".
This 'ought' is reasoned and inferred from actual empirical evidence on human nature.
Therefore it is morally wrong if one do not want to breathe.
HOW have you concluded, and so WHY do you say, it is morally wrong if one does not want to breathe?
Who are you to tell another how they 'ought' to live THEIR life?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:19 am
Note there are people who commit against this objective moral law when they sealed a plastic bag over their head then die as a result.
But you have to form a sound and valid argument that 'this' is an objective moral law first. You have not done that yet. Some of these people want to seal a plastic bag over their head then die as a result. So, obviously there are those who do not want to live anymore, and so to them there is no objective more law that insists that they have to breathe any more.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:19 am
These are those who are morally incompetent.
Well you have not yet shown that 'you' are morally competent yet. You are coming across as though you are telling "others" what to do with their life, and that you judge them if they do not do as you say and believe is "moral and right".
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:19 am
If this 'ought' do not exists as a moral fact, then the vice-versa, i.e. 'all humans ought not to breathe' will by reason result in the extermination of the human species.
And just turning this around as though it proves something is an extermination of logical reasoning.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:19 am
Thus the absolute objective moral law "ALL Humans Ought To Breathe" is a default and inherent within humanity as a moral fact.
Throwing the 'fact' word is not helping you here. It is just a ploy to appear more true.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:19 am
The point is this moral fact is only to be used as a
GUIDE only and not to be enforced on anyone. I repeat to be used as a GUIDE ONLY.
Okay, thank you for telling us this. I was just about to go and dig up my great, great, great grandmother and grandfather and tell them that they have to start breathing again because "veritas aequitas" just told us:
ALL Humans Ought To Breathe, and it is a Moral Objective, and that they 'ought' to do what "veritas aequitas" tells them that they OUGHT to be doing.
ALL 'humans ought to be breathe' is an absolute absurd and ridiculous idea, especially to those that have ALREADY stopped breathing.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:19 am
The task of humanity is to establish fool proof approaches to develop the natural activation of this moral fact within the consciousness of all humans so that they act spontaneously and effortless without any external enforcement nor threats.
This will involve positive neural changes within the moral faculty in the brain of each individual. How? that is the $6 million question.
The above is a counter argument against moral relativists who argue there are no inherent absolute and objective moral laws that are independent of human views.
There is, of course, One moral lore, which, when followed will create a Truly peaceful and loving world for Everyone. But this only happens with absolute voluntary enthusiasm, and NOT when one person is telling "others" what they OUGHT to be doing. The peaceful way of living will come about after learning how the Mind and the brain work, which will SHOW HOW and WHY all adult human beings have their own relativistic views on what is right and what is wrong in Life. Just like you are showing you have right here now in this post of yours.
This is your own relative and subjective view of of what is morally right. It is obviously NOT what is a moral objective at all.
What IS morally Objective IS what IS agreed with, accepted, and wanted to be followed voluntarily by ALL.
Find out and discover what that IS that is agreed with, accepted, and wanted to be followed voluntarily by each and EVERY one, then you will SEE how and why what you said and are doing here is actually Objectively morally WRONG itself.