Oneness cannot be completely explained using words.

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Oneness cannot be completely explained using words.

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One cannot fully explain Oneness in words, just as one cannot fully explain feelings in words, however, the connection one feels when they realize Oneness is what allows one to recognize it.

As soon as we use language to define The Source, we have tainted our understanding of The Source. When it comes to Oneness, it is a similar story. Oneness cannot be defined with words because Oneness is a state of being that can only be realized.

WHAT IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF ONENESS?
What is the philosophy of Oneness of God and what does Oneness really mean?



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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:31 pm One cannot fully explain Oneness in words, just as one cannot fully explain feelings in words, however, the connection one feels when they realize Oneness is what allows one to recognize it.

As soon as we use language to define The Source, we have tainted our understanding of The Source. When it comes to Oneness, it is a similar story. Oneness cannot be defined with words because Oneness is a state of being that can only be realized.

WHAT IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF ONENESS?
What is the philosophy of Oneness of God and what does Oneness really mean?



Source: https://www.selfhelphealing.co.uk/philo ... ss-of-god/
If you wnt to theoretically understand the idea of oneness, you must be open to how Plotinus described the ONE

https://www.iep.utm.edu/plotinus/#SH2a

a. The One
The 'concept' of the One is not, properly speaking, a concept at all, since it is never explicitly defined by Plotinus, yet it is nevertheless the foundation and grandest expression of his philosophy. Plotinus does make it clear that no words can do justice to the power of the One; even the name, 'the One,' is inadequate, for naming already implies discursive knowledge, and since discursive knowledge divides or separates its objects in order to make them intelligible, the One cannot be known through the process of discursive reasoning (Ennead VI.9.4). Knowledge of the One is achieved through the experience of its 'power' (dunamis) and its nature, which is to provide a 'foundation' (arkhe) and location (topos) for all existents (VI.9.6). The 'power' of the One is not a power in the sense of physical or even mental action; the power of the One, as Plotinus speaks of it, is to be understood as the only adequate description of the 'manifestation' of a supreme principle that, by its very nature, transcends all predication and discursive understanding. This 'power,' then, is capable of being experienced, or known, only through contemplation (theoria), or the purely intellectual 'vision' of the source of all things. The One transcends all beings, and is not itself a being, precisely because all beings owe their existence and subsistence to their eternal contemplation of the dynamic manifestation(s) of the One. The One can be said to be the 'source' of all existents only insofar as every existent naturally and (therefore) imperfectly contemplates the various aspects of the One, as they are extended throughout the cosmos, in the form of either sensible or intelligible objects or existents. The perfect contemplation of the One, however, must not be understood as a return to a primal source; for the One is not, strictly speaking, a source or a cause, but rather the eternally present possibility -- or active making-possible -- of all existence, of Being (V.2.1). According to Plotinus, the unmediated vision of the 'generative power' of the One, to which existents are led by the Intelligence (V.9.2), results in an ecstatic dance of inspiration, not in a satiated torpor (VI.9.8); for it is the nature of the One to impart fecundity to existents -- that is to say: the One, in its regal, indifferent capacity as undiminishable potentiality of Being, permits both rapt contemplation and ecstatic, creative extension. These twin poles, this 'stanchion,' is the manifested framework of existence which the One produces, effortlessly (V.1.6). The One, itself, is best understood as the center about which the 'stanchion,' the framework of the cosmos, is erected (VI.9.8). This 'stanchion' or framework is the result of the contemplative activity of the Intelligence.
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Oneness: not nothing.....unless it's the only thing.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:31 pm One cannot fully explain Oneness in words, just as one cannot fully explain feelings in words, however, the connection one feels when they realize Oneness is what allows one to recognize it.

As soon as we use language to define The Source, we have tainted our understanding of The Source. When it comes to Oneness, it is a similar story. Oneness cannot be defined with words because Oneness is a state of being that can only be realized.

WHAT IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF ONENESS?
What is the philosophy of Oneness of God and what does Oneness really mean?


Source: https://www.selfhelphealing.co.uk/philo ... ss-of-god/
The above is a cheap escape route to cover for one being delusional.

There are many experiences and things-experienced that are difficult to put into words. Yes, anything that is put into words is conditioned by the principles of lingusitics and the human condition.

If you insist "oneness" cannot be put into words, why do the above article [or you] put it as "Oneness of God"?
As Wittgenstein stated,
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent"
In this case, one should just "shut up" totally and not speak of it, do not mention "the Oneness of God".

One example of 'oneness' that cannot be really spoken of but still spoken commonly is that of the oneness of team-spirit and its related synergy. It is best experienced by the individual team members.
While the oneness of team-spirit cannot be precisely put into words except experienced, the basis of this oneness is, it is grounded on human experiences of the team members. Such oneness do not appear from nowhere independent of the human conditions.

Similarly the 'oneness of God' or whatever, is actually conditioned by human conditions and do not exist an independent entity.
This is the reason why theists insist somehow to put the 'oneness of God' into words rather than 'shut-up' as they should be in this case.
If theists must actual 'shut-up' then there is no room for 'theism,' since in principle no one can speak of it.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:21 am
Similarly the 'oneness of God' or whatever, is actually conditioned by human conditions and do not exist an independent entity.
This is the reason why theists insist somehow to put the 'oneness of God' into words rather than 'shut-up' as they should be in this case.
If theists must actual 'shut-up' then there is no room for 'theism,' since in principle no one can speak of it.
In silence, aka the true and real spirit of Oneness..there exists no such entity as a ''human entity'' nor is there an ''independent God entity'' except in their artificial conception.

Paradoxically, the apparent conceptually constructed overlay imposed upon SILENCE is the SAME process that removes the artificial overlay. Like using a thorn to remove a thorn and then throwing both thorns away...this phenomena is unavoidable since there is no ''known'' without a ''knower'' and vice versa. The knower AND known MUST BE ONE in the same instantaneous moment.


Oneness cannot be conceived of, only imagined which is known as the conceptual overlay. Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

The mystery that names one God is the same mystery that names one Human.

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Anybody ever notice the word, "atonement" literally is "at one (state)" [the state of being in sync with Nature/God/the Universe]?
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Scott Mayers wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:41 am Anybody ever notice the word, "atonement" literally is "at one (state)" [the state of being in sync with Nature/God/the Universe]?
No, but this is worth noting. Thank you.

This will help me explaining more succinctly, and in greater detail, what thee One actually is and how It works, more simply and more easily.
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Scott Mayers wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:41 am Anybody ever notice the word, "atonement" literally is "at one (state)" [the state of being in sync with Nature/God/the Universe]?

Yes, and it's known as the ''knowing'' that cannot be known. (The stateless state)

The question: 'What do 'I' know about this presence?' is a self sustaining feedback loop. The thought 'I' is nothing but a reference or pointer to the presence, was supposedly asking what it knows about presence. The loop is you are what you seek.

Even the sense of 'I' is a thought. So a thought arises. Where did it come from? Why did it arise? How does it exist? Of what is it made? What is my relationship to that thought?

The Answer: Nothingness, pure silence. (The stateless state)
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Age wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:43 am
Scott Mayers wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:41 am Anybody ever notice the word, "atonement" literally is "at one (state)" [the state of being in sync with Nature/God/the Universe]?
No, but this is worth noting. Thank you.

This will help me explaining more succinctly, and in greater detail, what thee One actually is and how It works, more simply and more easily.
No problem. You might like to think of other words too, like "unite" and "unity" in this context too. I think the OP initiated this to be about the logical (or metalogical) origns of establishing meaning to 'one', but in context with the above conversation relating this, it can help.
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Dontaskme wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:36 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:21 am
Similarly the 'oneness of God' or whatever, is actually conditioned by human conditions and do not exist an independent entity.
This is the reason why theists insist somehow to put the 'oneness of God' into words rather than 'shut-up' as they should be in this case.
If theists must actual 'shut-up' then there is no room for 'theism,' since in principle no one can speak of it.
In silence, aka the true and real spirit of Oneness..there exists no such entity as a ''human entity'' nor is there an ''independent God entity'' except in their artificial conception.

Paradoxically, the apparent conceptually constructed overlay imposed upon SILENCE is the SAME process that removes the artificial overlay. Like using a thorn to remove a thorn and then throwing both thorns away...this phenomena is unavoidable since there is no ''known'' without a ''knower'' and vice versa. The knower AND known MUST BE ONE in the same instantaneous moment.


Oneness cannot be conceived of, only imagined which is known as the conceptual overlay. Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

The mystery that names one God is the same mystery that names one Human.

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If cannot be conceived, then it cannot be imagined.
An apple can be conceived, thus it can be imagined, i.e. imaged in the mind.

A square-circle cannot be conceived, thus cannot be imagined, i.e. no image of 'square-circle' is possible.
This is the same with the unimaginable "oneness" you are spouting about.
In silence, aka the true and real spirit of Oneness..there exists no such entity as a ''human entity'' nor is there an ''independent God entity'' except in their artificial conception.
As Wittgenstein, stated, you must SHUT-UP on such non-existing thing.
Why do you keep harping and blabbering on it?
To do so is delusional.

  • delusional = characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
  • Delusions are the main symptom of delusional disorder. They’re unshakable beliefs in something that isn’t true or based on reality.
Don't delay in making the appointment with your psychiatrist.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:49 am Why do you keep harping and blabbering on it?
To do so is delusional.

  • delusional = characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
  • Delusions are the main symptom of delusional disorder. They’re unshakable beliefs in something that isn’t true or based on reality.
Don't delay in making the appointment with your psychiatrist.
Delusion is the context in which we live. You can not escape from it.

But awakening to the delusion paradoxically is the escape hatch from the attachment to the delusion and the entrance into Nonduality, where few minds fear to tread.

It's like, while falling the deluded mind will still cling to the air in which they are falling, but the wise minds let go completely knowing there is nothing really here to cling to.

A Teflon mind is a beautiful mind.





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Dontaskme wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:00 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:49 am Why do you keep harping and blabbering on it?
To do so is delusional.

  • delusional = characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
  • Delusions are the main symptom of delusional disorder. They’re unshakable beliefs in something that isn’t true or based on reality.
Don't delay in making the appointment with your psychiatrist.
Delusion is the context in which we live. You can not escape from it.

But awakening to the delusion paradoxically is the escape hatch from the attachment to the delusion and the entrance into Nonduality, where few minds fear to tread.

It's like, while falling the deluded mind will still cling to the air in which they are falling, but the wise minds let go completely knowing there is nothing really here to cling to.

A Teflon mind is a beautiful mind.
You still don't get it and you are not aware you are clinging to that 'non-duality - nothing - really here to cling to.'

What is critical is for humans to engage reality with wisdom.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:29 am You still don't get it and you are not aware you are clinging to that 'non-duality - nothing - really here to cling to.'
You don't know that except as a false phoney belief.

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What are all questions but answers unanswered? :roll:
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:31 pm One cannot fully explain Oneness in words, just as one cannot fully explain feelings in words, however, the connection one feels when they realize Oneness is what allows one to recognize it.

As soon as we use language to define The Source, we have tainted our understanding of The Source. When it comes to Oneness, it is a similar story. Oneness cannot be defined with words because Oneness is a state of being that can only be realized.

WHAT IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF ONENESS?
What is the philosophy of Oneness of God and what does Oneness really mean?



Source: https://www.selfhelphealing.co.uk/philo ... ss-of-god/
Yes, Oneness cannot be put into words in the same way that Redness cannot be put into words. These things can only be experienced. I have experienced Redness but I am still working on experiencing Oneness.
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