PeteJ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:56 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:33 am
My problem with the nonduality teachers is when they call a so called follower of their teaching a bigot just for having their own unique informed opposing opinion. For me,this is corrupt teaching,it carries the heavy weight of a cult like mentality, and when this happens, which it does, it makes me distrust the motives and real incentives of these teachers.
So you think they should accept any old opinion as equally valid, even where they know the opinion is wrong. What sort of teacher would do this?
Are you serious! All opinions are equally valid, because all opinions are fictions.
Do you honestly believe in your own made-up bullshit here? on what or who's authority can a nonduality teacher tell another person their opinion is wrong?... get a grip!! ...if a teacher does tell another they are a bigot for having their own opinion that goes against what they are teaching, contradicting that teaching ..then they are hopelessly deluded. I'm not talking about dismissing the teaching, I'm talking about the idea that nonduality understanding can be taught at all...it cannot, it's bullshit to believe it can, so calling the teacher out on their own bullshit is what this topic is about.
True nondual understanding is to know that all opinions are based on knowledge and that knowledge informs the illusory nature of reality, in that it is absent of a knower. So any claim to say an opinion is wrong is just being a bullshitter...it is being closed minded because no opinion is either right or wrong and that all opinions are seen for what they really are, aka fictional assumptions arising from the void and not from a human beings opinion. . which is either in favor of or against...which is more bullshit opinion. Teachers have an air of authority about them and hate being called out on their own fictionally created bullshit, it's like they can dish it out - but they can't take it themselves.
PeteJ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:56 amI doubt any of them would call someone a bigot. They may well call them dogmatic or over-reliant on speculative opinions.
Well let me assure you a nonduality teacher will and can call someone a bigot. I witnessed this action myself. You have no grounds to doubt that truth, so doubt it all you like, the point is, your doubt is just your own bullshit opinion.
PeteJ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:56 amIf you have an opposing opinion then you do not endorse what they are teaching.
Opinions are many and can make all kinds of claims about anything and everything under the sun...endorsing opinioned claims is not what nonduality stands for..nonduality is the understanding that does away with all endorsed claims and opinions - it is to know that any endorsed claim is just a fictional utterance anyway, and that it too is a fictional appearance arising from the void.
But as soon as a teacher starts throwing their authoritative weight around by calling others bigots, is in my opinion not the way to teach nonduality.
PeteJ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:56 amIt's no good complaining they don't teach what you happen to believe is true. They can ony teach what they know is true. If you don't buy it this is not their problem. No offense intended, but to impune their motives on this basis may say more about you than them.
You misunderstand...I'm saying no one knows anything...that's the whole message of nonduality, but then when a teacher makes the claim to KNOW and then gets called out on that false claim by having it pointed out to them that the claim is just their assumed opinion as well, they don't like that.
So it is their problem as well.
PeteJ wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:56 amIf you don't find the non-dual doctrine convincing then you have plenty of company. No need to malign those who teach it, and by implication all those who endorse it. The best thing to so would be to attempt to falsify it. It is unfasifiable, but there is a great deal to be learnt by trying to prove otherwise.
You really are missing the point here, and no fault of your own for it's all just your own projected misinterpreted opinions on what you think is actually being discussed here.
Your voicing some really weird misunderstandings as to the actual point of what this thread topic is all about.
No mention here of not being convinced of nondual understanding..you certainly are doing a lot of projecting here...my opinion is that nondual understanding is not something to be taught to another. I'm certainly not saying nondual understanding is not convincing...Neither do I care about your own bullshitting self afforded maligned misguided knee jerk assumptive projections of what you only think I mean... but don't.
Anyone can have a nondual understanding, but it cannot be taught to another person.
I'm not talking about falsifying it, or not being convinced by it as you imply...I'm talking about the fictional mind games that come with the (teacher student dymanic)..in trying to express the ineffable. I'm talking about the inevitable clash of assumptive opinions that can arise in the way nonduality is understood.
As soon as one starts putting nonduality into words you are going to get all sorts of mixed opinions creeping in...all fictional, neither right nor wrong, in the sense that no human being alive has any authority over what constitutes actual nondual knowledge ..simply because there isn't any.
Knowledge informs the illusory nature of a knower. So any teacher informing another person they are not enlightened yet because they say so is absolute bullshit.
When teachers try to convince you they can teach this stuff, and worse, they then try and sell it to you in the hope you will buy it...when in reality it's not for sale is the sickness of the human mind.
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