AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 am
Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
Is this absolutely True?
I can think of a word that might NOT be able to be negated.
No. The way I see it there is nothing that can be said that is "absolutely True".
Does this include what you wrote just here?
If what you just wrote here is also NOT 'absolutely True', which obviously it could NOT be 'absolutely True', then it could be 'completely False', and therefore there could actually be some thing that IS 'absolutely True'.
We will just have to wait and SEE.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amWhat word are you thinking of that can not be negated? Even if we think about
infinity, which, if it is True, can not be negated, we can still think about the
limited which in turn negates the existence of the infinite... while
infinity might be "absolutely True" thought is still able to put it into context and press it into a limited structure.Thus even
infinity can not be "absolutely True" while, where the word infinity points to can still be absolute Truth.
You asked a question, seemingly looking for a response, but then you quickly went on TRYING TO argue that it was IMPOSSIBLE for any word NOT to be negated. You even put some thought into providing examples TRYING TO prove that there is NOTHING that can NOT be negated.
If you are still interested in what word that I was thinking of, and you are OPEN, to THEN LOOKING AT it to SEE if it can be negated or NOT, then just let me know. Then I will give that word.
However, in reply to the rest of what you wrote here;
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 am"Even if we think about
infinity, which, if it is True, can not be negated, we can still think about the
limited which in turn negates the existence of the infinite... "
I am curious to understand WHY you think that when we think about the
limited that this then negates the existence of infinity, especially if, as you said, if it is True, can not be negated?
If infinity exists, then HOW does just thinking about the limited mean that infinity does NOT exist anymore?
Some can SEE, the seemingly "both sides" of any thing, as well as, SEE the absolute Truth that lays in between.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 am"while
infinity might be "absolutely True" thought is still able to put it into context and press it into a limited structure.
Does putting something into context negate its truthfulness?"
If yes, HOW and WHY?
Can thought, itself, press some physical thing like an infinite Universe into a limited structure?
If yes, HOW?
Thinking of a limited structure surely, by itself, does NOT actually create a limited structure?
Thinking may NEVER create nor project the 'absolute True' picture of things, but KNOWING can and does.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amThus even
infinity can not be "absolutely True" while, where the word infinity points to can still be absolute Truth.
i do NOT understand this. Are you saying that WHERE the word 'infinity' points to can be the absolute Truth, the word 'infinity', itself, can not be absolutely True?
Also, why can
infinity (in italics) not be 'absolutely True'?
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
What is left is not nothing - what is left is no thing.
Or, Being?
Yes, being/knowing.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
The absolute Truth is there is One, and this One is the Knower, which by definition KNOWS ALL OF THIS, already.
Of course there is NO 'separate' Knower, but there obviously has to be A Knower.
How do you think you KNOW what you know?
I know because I am this being which is/exists as pure knowing (of itself).
Yes, you can say this being/knowing is the "One" - but this One is no limited thing, no entity as such. It simply is being/knowing.
Yes. But from what I have written so far I am NOT sure WHY you saw the NEED to write that this One is no limited thing, no entity as such.
I hope that I have NOT implied such a thing anywhere.
(I will save for later; I am this Being KNOWING (of Itself).)
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
Could the collective of ALL beings grouped into One agreement and agreed on 'set of ALL', just be A, or One, 'Being'?
There would be NO one to agree, as it was the agreement Itself, in the first place, that formed this One absolute Being.
I find it very unusual (for how my mind works anyway).
Who/what is the 'my' in 'my mind'?
And, who/what is the 'mind' in 'my mind'?
Find the CORRECT answer to these, and far more will be understood.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 am to use the term
agreement in such a way... For me an agreement is more of an accordance in opinion, in the way we think about something... to use it as a synonym for
being is an interesting approach...
For example;
One [human] being discovers, and thus now KNOWS, that the earth revolves around the sun while everyone else (a religious group of [human] beings) THINKS they know that the sun revolves around the earth.
After a while of continually learning how to communicate this KNOWING, that one being becomes better and better at doing so, and in so doing, more and more people come to the same KNOWING.
What started out as a group of one [human] 'being' grew to be a bigger and bigger group of [human] beings until there was A, or one, group WHO were ALL looking at, and seeing, or observing, from the same One perspective. This group of many [human] beings became a group of one being, who observe from the same perspective. But only in relation to this matter, which, to you, is an agreement in accordance of opinion, in the way that a group think about some thing, which is also entirely correct.
But let us not look at, or imagine, a case of where one [human] being discovers, and thus now KNOWS, who/what the 'human being' IS, and, Who/What the 'I' IS, in the question Who am 'I'? After this KNOWING is communicated better and more and more [human] beings come to also understand and thus KNOW who/what the [human or i] being IS and Who/What the
Being IS, and as the agreement grows bigger and stronger the many beings SEE, UNDERSTAND, and KNOW Who/What the Being Truly IS, and also WANT to BE, and BE-come, that Being.
This inevitable evolving transformation of be-coming into Self-realization, and BEing Who we really ARE, has been going on for eternity. But just like the [human] being evolved from [another] being, so will the [human] being, eventually, evolve into and BE the one True BE-ing.
There is, after ALL, (that come together) only One True Being, although there are many [human] beings, who THINK they KNOW that they are separate and different individual beings.
This one and only True Being, KNOWS Who/What It IS because It LOOKS FROM and SEES from absolutely EVERY thing's perspective as One. ONLY when there is an agreement from EVERY thing, which can only be found from LOOKING from EVERY thing's perspective is Thee Absolute Truth found, and SEEN. The KNOWER of Its Self is the One Who can Observe EVERY thing as One - Everything.
Those examples might have confused some human beings, some more, while showing others a bit more of what it IS that i want to communicate better.
Another example is; adult [human] beings THINK, in, the so called year, "2019", through past experiences, that they NEED a new car, a new watch, a new house, a computer, a phone, a job, jewelry, money, and a million other unnecessary things. BELIEVING they NEED these things is even worse, however, ALL of these beings are THINKING and LIVING as separate and different individual beings. Thus causing a conflicting, different, disagreeing world.
BUT, through past experiences ALL of these adult [human] beings can think back to when they were born, they may NOT remember being born, but they can certainly SEE and KNOW, just from watching/observing ALL the "other" [human] babies who have ALL shared the EXACT SAME experience of being born as EVERY [human] being has, that the Truth IS ALL human beings really NEED is to BE loved. Besides clean enough air, clean enough water, and a few nutrients, of which the human body NEEDS for its survival, and to be cared for, protected and guided, (which is just to be loved), of which the [human] being NEEDS for its survival, absolutely EVERY thing else are just WANTS and NOT needs at all.
Now, if EVERY [human] being was LOOKING AT and SEEING the world from this perspective, that is from the EYES of ANY or just ONE new born human being's perspective and they ALL LOOKED solely from that perspective, for example, then ALL of those beings would be being like the One True Being, Who is Living Life from the instinctual KNOWING, that is within ALL things or beings.
The way to obtain to BE-ing the One True Being is to find what it IS that ALL are in agreement on, and obviously ONLY what IS instinctual KNOWING to ALL being/things is what would be in agreement with, and for, EVERY one anyway, and then just doing that, or following that, what IS instinctively KNOWN as being True and Right for US, which is ourselves anyway, as One, then by working together as that One [Being], then we CAN and WILL reach and achieve what it IS that we ALL Truly WANT and NEED anyway.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
Sounds EXTREMELY contradictory, well to me anyway.
Do you mean 'its very existence' 'does not exist as a PHYSICAL thing', or, do you mean 'it' 'does not exist as absolutely ANY thing'?
I mean it doesn't exist as "a PHYSICAL thing" - it exists as being/knowing.
That is fine and good.
I have said more or less the same thing, and probably and never yet correct either, when i say; that 'time' is not a thing. When i would MIGHT be better off communicating that 'time' is not a physical thing.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
Even by definition to KNOW and KNOWING is different from thought and thinking. The nature of thought can, does all to often, actually interfere with, distort, prevent, and STOP KNOWING from revealing ITSELF.
Agree - the reason being that attention is mostly on thought-story and not on being/knowing itself - it is caught in interpretation instead of resting in its own nature.
And that is just because that is exactly how the brain works.
We, human beings, allow what the brain has interpreted to be true and right, to override
what IS actually True and Right. This is NOT necessarily a bad thing in and of itself, because the Being/Knowing has only become into actuality or Self-realization because It NEEDED an intelligent enough species, like the human being, to come into existence, through evolution, before the 'I' can become KNOWN.
Although the human brain is Truly amazing has it has the ability to learn, understand, and reason absolutely any thing, this ability has allowed it to learn, understand, and reason things that are NOT even being close to being true and right. But having this ability to LEARN any thing has allowed human beings to evolve WHERE they are now, and also allow them to evolve into, and BE-ing, into the next stage of evolution. That is; a Truly Self-aware Being, with the ability to Create absolutely ANY thing that is WANTED. And, Who does NOT Truly WANT to live in peace and harmony together with EVERY One?
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
Well that sounds like an absolute Truth if ever I have heard one.
Are you absolute 100% SURE that finding agreement between ALL is a FOREVER IMPOSSIBILITY?
If so, then that is spoken from a True 'human being' perspective of 'THINGS'.
That's right - it is spoken from the human being perspective - and as such is can not be an "absolute Truth".
Fair enough, and that is great that you can SEE that from the human beings' perspective they have a very limited and narrow view of things.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amBut, yes, I am pretty sure (not absolutely sure as thought can not provide this level of Truth)
So, how about LOOKING AT this from the KNOWING, or the Mind, instead of from the thinking, or the brain, and let us SEE
what IS, un-covered and/or revealed?
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amWhy am I sure? Because the agreement is already the case - if you already have something you can not find it by looking for it, right? The only thing that will work is to realise that you always already had it and that the whole search has been an exercise in futility.
I could NOT agree any more.
For this human being was absolutely NOT searching for any thing other than to change for the better, but because of what they were doing, they completely, and completely unintentionally, stumbled across this agreed upon KNOWING, which is laying deep within EVERY being/thing.
HOW to release this always already held KNOWLEDGE, and revealing ITS Truth, is just some thing that can be discovered, and/or learned.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amAge wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
Is there really any sense or purpose in just "sitting around" doing absolutely NOTHING, with that KNOWING?
I notice that you also have a somewhat NEED to be heard and understood. WHERE do you think that comes from?
I think it is the nature of being/knowing to grow,
The Being/Knowing can NOT grow, as It is already at ABSOLUTE, but the ever evolving/growing human being CAN grow/evolve into BE-coming more like the KNOWING BE-ing. In other words the human being can BE-come and BE more like the God-Being instead of like the human-being.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amto offer and extend itself to itself (I was often wondering if this might even be the reason why the universe seems to expand...) Love grows by giving itself
Great point.
Although the Universe, Itself, is NOT expanding; the WISDOM to SEE further afield, at least beyond the human beings narrow and limited field of view is expanding, and as you said well, as Love grows bigger/stronger by giving, or KNOWING, Its Self, then so does Itself grow bigger and stronger.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 am - you only get more love by extending it, by offering it - the need to be understood comes from this love that Being has for itself.
All I am wanting to do is learn how to better communicate THAT, what i stumbled across, so that, if it is what I SEE it as being, then this will SHOW how to make Life better for EVERY one. But learning this, in a way that is NOT misunderstood nor misinterpreted, can at times appear troublesome.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amPersonally, i want to never come on this forum again and just enjoy life, but there is an inner-drive within me that wants to be heard and understood.
Age wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:06 am
Is this Being able to OBSERVE, and KNOW, the agreed on?
It's actually all it ever can know - it does so by being it.
Agreed.
AlexW wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:48 amIt cannot know what is not in agreement - which is: the conceptual content of thought.
I would say that It can KNOW what is NOT in agreement - the conceptual content of thought, because;
1. It is within EVERY thing and IS able to Observe/SEE EVERY thing.
2. The conceptual content of thought is always HEARD in spoken words and SEEN in written words.
The conceptual content of thought is actually SPLASHED throughout these pages, on this forum, for ALL to SEE.
The conceptual content of thought can also be SEEN through ALL of human beings' creations.
The conceptual content of thought is, literally, EVERYWHERE in this human made "world".