Age wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 1:33 am
Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:23 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu Apr 04, 2024 3:56 pm
If you want to play this little game, then you obviously cannot refute what I have said here. Therefore, you will have to agree with, and accept, that morality, itself, is just both subjective and objective
I'm not playing a game. Here's a definition of morality:
'principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour'
No mention of subjectivity or objectivity.
And I haven't got around to dismantling your argument yet - such as it is. But be patient.
Of course there is no mention of subjectivity nor objectivity in that definition of the morality word. I noticed that you did not provide a definition for the 'objectivity' word. So, when you stop playing games you might get around to defining the 'objectivity' word, as well.
By the way, I can agree with and accept the definition that you have provided here, however, have I even provided my actual argument here, yet?
To repeat: what we call objectivity is reliance on facts, rather than opinions. So
objective means 'fact-based', or often just 'factual'. And, to repeat, what we call a fact is a feature of reality that is or was the case, regardless of opinion.
And it seems we agree that morality is about 'principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour'.
Are there any other terms in this discussion with which you need help? If not, we can return to your three assertions:
1 Absolutely every thing is relative to the observer, and thus is subjective to the observer.
2 Despite #1, objectivity can be found and reached.
3 #1 and #2 have a bearing on morality.
By all means, please turn these claims into a valid and sound argument about morality.