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Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by uwot » Sun Jul 08, 2018 10:36 am

The title is the name of a youtube clip. Whoever your political opposite is, you ain't gonna beat them and you ain't gonna join them. I think this guy has some good ideas for what else you can do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfWv0EnHQw

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by Walker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:34 am

Interesting.

Van Jones has been described as a communist.

The video begins with a reasonable mea culpa for liberals, which sparks the question, why is he doing this?

The answer begins around 10:30, when he begins to define and advise conservatives, ostensibly to help them.
After the answer, the rest of whatever he said was probably fog, because why would a Leftist communist want to help conservatives with advice?

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:08 pm

If not for past liberals you wouldn't have your liberty.
ps. What do Americans call people who believe in free speech, freedom of the press, equal rights under the law...?

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by Walker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 1:47 pm

In the video, Van Jones uses the word, liberal, to establish his dichotomy.

John Kennedy was a liberal.

Was John Kennedy also a communist?
(Answer, no.)

Is Van Jones both a communist and a liberal, or, is he both a communist and a Leftist?

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by uwot » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:01 pm

Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:34 am
Interesting.

Van Jones has been described as a communist.
I'm sure he's been called a lot of things. Do you remember who called him a communist, or what he has said or done to warrant being called that?
Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:34 am
The video begins with a reasonable mea culpa for liberals, which sparks the question, why is he doing this?

The answer begins around 10:30, when he begins to define and advise conservatives, ostensibly to help them.
After the answer, the rest of whatever he said was probably fog, because why would a Leftist communist want to help conservatives with advice?
Well hang on a mo; can we first establish that he is a leftist communist?

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by Walker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:01 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:08 pm
If not for past liberals you wouldn't have your liberty.
ps. What do Americans call people who believe in free speech, freedom of the press, equal rights under the law...?
In the first ten minutes, Jones he says that Fox News is more right, than CNN is left.

I’ve watched CNN.
They’re insane.

Ergo, so much for Jones’ appropriation of the anachronistic implication of Liberal.

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by Walker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:02 pm

uwot wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:01 pm
Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:34 am
Interesting.

Van Jones has been described as a communist.
I'm sure he's been called a lot of things. Do you remember who called him a communist, or what he has said or done to warrant being called that?
Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:34 am
The video begins with a reasonable mea culpa for liberals, which sparks the question, why is he doing this?

The answer begins around 10:30, when he begins to define and advise conservatives, ostensibly to help them.
After the answer, the rest of whatever he said was probably fog, because why would a Leftist communist want to help conservatives with advice?
Well hang on a mo; can we first establish that he is a leftist communist?
Go ahead.

Impartially research your video.

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by vegetariantaxidermy » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:09 pm

And what about those countries that have a really high standard of living, which Americans call 'socialist' countries, that have far more liberty than the US? Are they 'liberal'? They have a lot of freedom (including freedom to marry someone of the same sex). Australia has a fascist far-right Govt. called the 'Liberal Party'. See if you can get your heads around THAT one.

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by uwot » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:25 pm

Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:02 pm
uwot wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:01 pm
Well hang on a mo; can we first establish that he is a leftist communist?
Go ahead.

Impartially research your video.
I did. And I looked here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones There is nothing in either to suggest that he is a communist. He describes himself as a liberal, and that seems to fit the information I have so far seen. It may simply be that you and I have different definitions of communist, but what in your view makes him a communist?

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by Walker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:30 pm

You need to read your own source again.

Don't attribute lack of emphasis to lack of significance.

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by uwot » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:41 pm

Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:30 pm
You need to read your own source again.

Don't attribute lack of emphasis to lack of significance.
Done. There is nothing I have read or heard him say to suggest that he is a communist as I understand the term. As I said, it may simply be that you and I have different definitions of 'communist'. That being so, no amount of me re-reading or re-watching links I have posted is likely to change that. It's up to you who you call a communist, or what you call communism, but I'm confident you don't mean to imply approval. So, what has he said or done to deserve your disapproval?

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by Walker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm

:D

What do you think Van Jones calls a communist?

I'll let your own curiosity lead you.

But you do sound like communism is something to be ashamed of.

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by uwot » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:15 pm

Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm
:D

What do you think Van Jones calls a communist?
I haven't seen him use the term, so I have no idea.
Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 3:53 pm
I'll let your own curiosity lead you.

But you do sound like communism is something to be ashamed of.
What have I said that makes you think so?

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by Walker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:44 pm

Silly question.
My opinion is irrelevant, as is your opinion of my opinion, or my opinion of that.

Do your research, read for comprehension, and I can't think for you.

The question is, why would a Leftist communist want to help conservatives with advice?

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Re: Exposing Liberal Hypocrisy and Conservative Close-Mindedness

Post by uwot » Sun Jul 08, 2018 5:13 pm

Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:44 pm
Silly question.
My opinion is irrelevant, as is your opinion of my opinion, or my opinion of that.

Do your research, read for comprehension, and I can't think for you.
Nor would I want you to. The question is, can you think for yourself? You opened by stating that:
Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:34 am
Van Jones has been described as a communist.
As far as I can gather, you have simply taken this at face value. Fair enough; we all have sources that we trust, and yes our opinions are irrelevant, but at least mine are my own.
Walker wrote:
Sun Jul 08, 2018 4:44 pm
The question is, why would a Leftist communist want to help conservatives with advice?
That is only a pertinent question if you can demonstrate that, even according to your own definition, Van Jones is a "Leftist communist".

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