promethean75 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:50 pm
"The idea that God can know the future without the future being predetermined is pretty common in religion and Christianity."
Indeed, and imma show u the big problem with it.
Say there are a number of possible futures u can have, and that what u choose to do (or not) leads to one of these numbered possible outcomes that god is aware of.
This would be okay and would work if it weren't for the problem of the impossibility of god being wrong about what he knows.
There are two items of knowledge god would have here: one item is the awarness of all the possible outcomes of your life and the other is the final result u end up becoming.
Here, if u had the chance
not to end up being that final result (and second item of knowledge for god), god would not have that result in mind as the final one and would instead know another result. That is, if it were truly possible for u to have not become a Mormon and eventually have a standoff with the sheriff and get shot, god wouldn't have had this conclusion in mind... wouldn't have this particular ending in mind. There would still be an indeterminate possible future in mind if u didn't end up getting shot by the sheriff.
But he doesn't becuz you're dead. There are no more choices to be made to send your life in one direction or another.
What's so great about this point? Bro the point is that god can't be wrong or mistaken about what he knows to be the final result of your life. See what i mean?
If u truly had freewill, god wouldn't be like 'yeah he's gonna become a drug trafficker and be drowned by rivals'. Instead he'd see a numbered amount of possible outcomes before him with the final moment, the final outcome (x), open ended and indeterminate. That's to say, one year before u become that trafficker, god shouldn't be seeing and knowing x as 'drowned drug trafficker result' becuz there was still enough time (and choices) to change that outcome. U coulda been a chef at a fancy restaurant instead. But he does still see and know that outcome. In fact he knew it the moment after he turned on the laws of physics.
And becuz the whole sequence is causal going all the way back to the laws of the physics that he designed, he not only knows the outcome in advance, but allows, wants, it to happen precisely like it does.
See all the crazy shit that happens when u anthropomorphize god and tryda imagine what he'd be doin if he were like a super intelligent creator type agent like a human is, only waaaay more awesomer?