What is gravity?
Re: What is gravity?
I have to recant my discard of quantum gravity.
I was ofcourse wrong about neutrons, but gravity is particle based - for sure!
The only logic explanation for gravity is that certains strings within particles carry it. Space curvage is not gravity!
(Sorry Einstein, my old friend...)
I was ofcourse wrong about neutrons, but gravity is particle based - for sure!
The only logic explanation for gravity is that certains strings within particles carry it. Space curvage is not gravity!
(Sorry Einstein, my old friend...)
Re: What is gravity?
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"gravitons"???
they exist - gravity is a particle for sure!
how do we knows this is so?
welcome conversation on the matter.
how is your view on gravity the only logical explanation?
Re: What is gravity?
Has anyone ever considered the possibility that gravity is a Bernoulli-like effect of solar-wind flow dropping pressure against a large face-of-the-earth surface area, creating the attractive effect called gravity, and that this would account for the pressure-difference (gravity) being less pronounced farther from the surface?
Re: What is gravity?
Not to my knowledge. It's an interesting idea, but do you not think that a solar-wind flow powerful enough to account for the gravity on Earth would blow the Earth into outer space?Walker wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:10 pm Has anyone ever considered the possibility that gravity is a Bernoulli-like effect of solar-wind flow dropping pressure against a large face-of-the-earth surface area, creating the attractive effect called gravity, and that this would account for the pressure-difference (gravity) being less pronounced farther from the surface?
Re: What is gravity?
At a business seminar we were taught the technique of group brainstorming. Effective brainstorming eases the grip on assumed reality for the purpose of gleaning a new direction, rather than the presentation of an entire cohesive universe. PC has probably killed brainstorming because too far a deviation from accepted standards is viewed with suspicion if not alarm in the corporate safety zones of groupthink, which can be a career killer without some practical data.uwot wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:07 amNot to my knowledge. It's an interesting idea, but do you not think that a solar-wind flow powerful enough to account for the gravity on Earth would blow the Earth into outer space?Walker wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:10 pm Has anyone ever considered the possibility that gravity is a Bernoulli-like effect of solar-wind flow dropping pressure against a large face-of-the-earth surface area, creating the attractive effect called gravity, and that this would account for the pressure-difference (gravity) being less pronounced farther from the surface?
Without a big earth backstop, the sun can blow tiny solar sails sent up by scientists clear across the galaxy at a significant fraction of light speed. If we could build a sail as big as the earth the sun just might rocket it to light speed in no time.
A deflector shield blocking the flow like a racecar spoiler in reverse would deflect aspects of solar wind into the earth to create silent propulsion away from the earth. These aspects that are energy forms as yet undetected by puny human measuring devices calibrated on primitive assumptions, but which have the obvious force to keep the earth from crashing into the sun like a kite crashing into the earth on a windless day, would explain the silent and traceless footprint of massive, fuel-less anti-gravity spacecraft which we have all been conditioned to culturally accept in film, in preparation for the day when clouds drop the disguise and the pyramid builders descend to further serve mankind.
Not so farfetched when compared to other theories.
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Re: What is gravity?
uwot posted:
"...would blow the Earth into outer space?" The Earth is already in outer space!!!
PhilX
"...would blow the Earth into outer space?" The Earth is already in outer space!!!
PhilX
Re: What is gravity?
We already have a sail as big as the Earth. It's called Earth. Granted it would take a bit longer to accelerate than a sail, but if your theory were true, we should see some evidence of the Earth being blown away from the Sun and we don't. It's been in pretty much the same orbit for the last 4.5 billion years.
The other main problem with your theory is that the Bernoulli effect creates a vacuum, which sucks things up. That, I shouldn't need to point out, is the opposite of gravity. It is conceivable that the deflection of the solar wind by the Van Allen belts creates a Bernoulli like effect, much as an aircraft wing creates lift; in fact it is quite likely, so well done for identifying something which as far as I know, no one else has recognised; but it isn't responsible for gravity.
Re: What is gravity?
It's not really a theory, just an idea full of holes that popped up as I was writing, along with the idea that the earth has more mass than a fragile solar sail and so isn't pushed around so easily or as far by the sun, which gives rise to the question of why Mercury hasn't been pushed as far as Neptune, but science is accustomed to explaining such inconsistencies.uwot wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 2:00 pmWe already have a sail as big as the Earth. It's called Earth. Granted it would take a bit longer to accelerate than a sail, but if your theory were true, we should see some evidence of the Earth being blown away from the Sun and we don't. It's been in pretty much the same orbit for the last 4.5 billion years.
The other main problem with your theory is that the Bernoulli effect creates a vacuum, which sucks things up. That, I shouldn't need to point out, is the opposite of gravity. It is conceivable that the deflection of the solar wind by the Van Allen belts creates a Bernoulli like effect, much as an aircraft wing creates lift; in fact it is quite likely, so well done for identifying something which as far as I know, no one else has recognised; but it isn't responsible for gravity.
A Bernoulli-like effect can be seen when a base jumper glides too close to a mountain and gets sucked in against the surface.
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Re: What is gravity?
I made a suggestion, earlier in this thread, that neutrons could be the source of gravity, but I had to discard that theory, since most hydrogen stars have no problems sticking together and generating gravity.
Gravity is not a particle, but it is a part of protons and neutrons in string form inside.
Atleast that is my new theory, wich I suppose is not a new idea.
If gravity was space curving, we would weigh more at night, and less during the day, because the suns gravity would counteract the earths at daytime, and increase it at nigthtime.
But if it is a local matter (particle based), the suns particles are too far away to counteract earths gravity.
That's logic - IMO...
Re: What is gravity?
The force of gravity is slightly stronger at night than during the day but the increase and decrease is negligible, the moon has stronger effect but it is also very small.QuantumT wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 6:46 pmIf gravity was space curving, we would weigh more at night, and less during the day, because the suns gravity would counteract the earths at daytime, and increase it at nigthtime.
But if it is a local matter (particle based), the suns particles are too far away to counteract earths gravity.
That's logic - IMO...
https://www.quora.com/Is-gravity-strong ... le_rich_qa
Re: What is gravity?
I would expect a more dramatic difference, like a kg or more.thedoc wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 1:30 pm The force of gravity is slightly stronger at night than during the day but the increase and decrease is negligible, the moon has stronger effect but it is also very small.
https://www.quora.com/Is-gravity-strong ... le_rich_qa
Re: What is gravity?
So now you're moving the goal posts? First you claim that there is no expected difference in weight and when shown that there is a difference, you want a specific difference or it doesn't count? Piss off, your not worth talking to, no example will satisfy you.QuantumT wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 6:35 pmI would expect a more dramatic difference, like a kg or more.thedoc wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 1:30 pm The force of gravity is slightly stronger at night than during the day but the increase and decrease is negligible, the moon has stronger effect but it is also very small.
https://www.quora.com/Is-gravity-strong ... le_rich_qa
Re: What is gravity?
Grow up! Science isn't for kids. If you want to discuss details, keep your head in the game.thedoc wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 11:02 pm So now you're moving the goal posts? First you claim that there is no expected difference in weight and when shown that there is a difference, you want a specific difference or it doesn't count? Piss off, your not worth talking to, no example will satisfy you.
We are discussing space curvature vs. quantum. There are large differences is consequence!
Space curvature acts in the big game. Quantum is local. So obviously I expect more from curvature than quantum!
I'm not moving anything. Just talking consequence by each one.
Re: What is gravity?
Gravity is perhaps a balancing movement.
Synopsis: Pathway to Quantum Thermalization
https://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10 ... X.8.021030
Synopsis: Pathway to Quantum Thermalization
https://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10 ... X.8.021030