Londoner wrote: ↑Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:34 pm
But please go on instructing me in a subject you admit you know nothing about.
Yes, sir. (Or madam.) I will now buy your story that "evil" means actually "good", as in God says "I create evil" means "I create good."
Yes, sir. Or madam. Your absolute superiority of knowing "badness" is not "badness" and "evil" is not "wickedness" and "goodness" is the same as "evil wickedness" etc. is overwhelmingly convincing that "good" in English means "bad", "white" means "black", and "liquid" means "solid".
You may now proceed in your overwhelming knowledge-authority that there is good in all badness, and that good is a creation of god, and all that is evil in badness is not a part of god's creation.
You are so full of it that it hurts to read you.
You keep saying that not all evil is alike, and not all badness is alike. Fair enough, that is true. But you can't tell me and hope that I buy, that "adversity", "calamity", "danger" are things that are good; you can't tell me that there is no badness in them.
What sense you use evil in is on a sliding scale; you keep sliding it to the left, sliding it to the right, but you can't take the badness out of evil, no matter how you slide it.
In other words, no matter how you slice it, you're still talking baloney.
You say this is not bad, that is not evil, etc. etc. and you completely lose sight of the fact that NONE OF THEM ARE GOOD and ALL OF THEM ARE CREATED BY THE GOD YOU BELIEVE IN according to that god's manifesto.
"I create good and I create evil" you say is not equivalent to "I create goodness and I create calamity"... but you can't convince any reasonable person on this planet that calamity is good,and that it is not created by god.
You are applying a very subtle Strawman here. Your logic works this way:
A has created B and C.
C is not D.
D is not E. (Etc.)
Therefore A has not created C.
This is a Strawman, or maybe more accurately an inverse equivocation. (Two things that mean the same, you give two different meanings.) (Two bad things that god created, you call them different, and try to say that therefore god did not create them. But no matter what badness you subsitute to C, your god still created it. Whether god said "I created good and I created calamity" or god said "I created good and I created evil" is different, is only in your mind and in the minds of so many other Christians. Your god, according to his own words, created badness, no matter what word you put into that part of the translation.)
The logic does not work. You showed how "trespass" means different things now from what they meant then. You show how dropping a ball on a foot is bad, but not morally bad. These are specific examples of language curiosities, as language developed. Nothing less, nothing more. You CANNOT draw a parallel between the altered meaning of Trespass then and Trespass now, and extrapolate that the same difference in meaning exits between Evil then and Evil now. If you do that, I can equally validly claim that "faith", "belief", "adoration", "prayer", etc. etc. also meant something different then, from what they mean now. In fact, I can quote any word in the bible and claim that it meant something different in biblical times from what they mean now.
But what you ultimately failed is to show was a successful denial that badness was created by your god.
In all your examples of something evil, which you claim has nothing to do with the present day sense of evil, you use something to exemplify that god created these things and all these things contained elements of badness, and no elements of goodness.
This to me shows that you cling to your very clandestine Strawman fallacy: rename the badness, and pretend there is no badness in the action that evil has been renamed to.
You never successfully showed that creations of god have no badness, and your argument (which is not actually an argument at all, since you make no claim other than that evil is not evil) does not hold water. You failed to show over and over again that creations by god do not have elements of badness (such as calamity, danger, etc.)
So even if it is not evil that god created, your god created according to his own words things that are bad; and the elements of badness in them were created by him too.
What are you arguing against? God's own words?