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Nick_A wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:10 am Greta, you are a literalist who cannot understand why scripture seems so confusing. Why write with myths and parable? Why not just say what is meant? The reason is that sacred ideas must reach the inner man. This is done by the use of myths and parables. They confuse the outer man or the personality so a void is created within which the deeper meanings are communicated. Plato understood it as did Einstein and others. It is what makes intuition possible. You prefer to remain closed with hostile negativity.

I cannot understand why you insist on opposing scripture with such negativity. Why not just avoid it? What good does it do you to attach such negativity to that which is sacred within you? If all you do is ridicule scripture because you don't understand it, is it possible the real reason is that you have become closed to the deeper meanings and insist on superficial denial to justify your negativity.
What are you talking about? You claimed that the virgin birth of Jesus was true and I disagreed, stating the obvious that it's just superstition.

Whatever a virgin birth may or may not mean figuratively is another matter.

First you need to admit without prevarication that the myth is purely metaphorical and not a historical event. Once we have clarified your ostensibly literalist commentary earlier in the thread then we can reasonably consider the metaphorical import of these myths, without the muddying effect of literalist supernatural beliefs.
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Greta
What are you talking about? You claimed that the virgin birth of Jesus was true and I disagreed, stating the obvious that it's just superstition.

Whatever a virgin birth may or may not mean figuratively is another matter.

First you need to admit without prevarication that the myth is purely metaphorical and not a historical event. Once we have clarified your ostensibly literalist commentary earlier in the thread then we can reasonably consider the metaphorical import of these myths, without the muddying effect of literalist supernatural beliefs.
A lot of the myths contained in the Old Testament have one purpose. The virgin birth in the New Testament begins The Christ’s life cycle on earth leading to the resurrection opens the path from mechanical evolution into conscious evolution. It is not a myth. Without the virgin birth there is no resurrection and no Christianity.

1 Corinthians 15
12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either.17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
The Christ descended along the vertical line of being and entered Mary as a seed. The seed matured and performed what was necessary for resurrection and the return to where the Christ came from via the same line of being.

The virgin birth and the resurrection are connected and made possible by the relativity of being. You intentionally remain closed and deny it. You would rather fight with Trump. It is your way. I appreciate the great depth of Christianity and strive to remain open to it. It is not something you can understand.
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Nick_A wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:28 am
A lot of the myths contained in the Old Testament have one purpose. The virgin birth in the New Testament begins The Christ’s life cycle on earth leading to the resurrection opens the path from mechanical evolution into conscious evolution. It is not a myth. Without the virgin birth there is no resurrection and no Christianity.
In the Hindu wisdom...the Virgin Birth depicts Krishna / Christ Consciousness as pure beingness.

No thing lives and everything lives...Vedanta, not two...although in the play of life, it takes two to tango, one to die and one to live, one to watch and one to act.

Each religion has of course developed it's own version of the VB..using different words for the same meaning...where the essence of each story is basically identical, in that reality is nothing and everything (Same ONE) expressing itself infinitely.

When awareness evolved to become aware of itself, another dynamic entered the scene...the shadow self, the phantom.

The phantom said, I would rather rule on earth that serve in heaven....in other words, people are basically selfish to the core, nothing changes.

Until it does. We have the power to change because we invented the phantom...now all we got to do is give it back to it's rightful owner. :D

Only then can we live out the rest of eternity shining. :D

Nature waits eagerly in excited anticipation. We are what we have been waiting for, so they keep saying.. :o

God kept the message difficult to understand because God doesn't want any old tom dick and harry to serve the kingdom.
Every one got an equal calling... but not many listened, so all those unwanted gifts will be put to good use, they will be used as worm fodder. :D

If you want to die, then die..but if you want to live forever, that's available too...the choice is all mine.


Signed..NOONE aka God.


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Greta wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:20 am
What are you talking about? You claimed that the virgin birth of Jesus was true and I disagreed, stating the obvious that it's just superstition.

Whatever a virgin birth may or may not mean figuratively is another matter.

First you need to admit without prevarication that the myth is purely metaphorical and not a historical event. Once we have clarified your ostensibly literalist commentary earlier in the thread then we can reasonably consider the metaphorical import of these myths, without the muddying effect of literalist supernatural beliefs.


The mind identified with the story is the confusion. Look deeper into the metaphorical meaning of the story...the story points the way to your eternal original home ..to where all your stories originate, ..home is not in the story...stories are in YOU...AKA HOME.

Jesus is just a label, a label doesn't have any existence, it's a veil over the light..although the light that has no shadow is the castor of all shadows...lets not forget how a shadow is actually formed here...is it not sourced from light only?

Light cannot be seen, it is the seeing, seen via the contrasting shadow....all colour is made of light...colour is visible, light it's maker is invisible...both exist in the same one space....and YOU ARE THAT.

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It's the shadow self that is the myth...but at the same time the shadow self is not a myth, because it's only ever light veiling itself...

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No historical event ever happened...all events are stories....his story.

Stories in YOU that never happened...for infinity cannot happen, infinity is this eternal ever unfolding happening without beginning nor end. THIS IS TRUE AND FACTUAL.

Since you have no awareness of any beginning to you, nor will you have any awareness of the end of you...all you know is that YOU ARE HERE NOW ....and NOW...is just Another word for INFINITY. You are infinity aka awareness.

INFINITY ...is not bound by time...time is a label...it's the dream of separation, the story.


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Nick wrote:
A lot of the myths contained in the Old Testament have one purpose. The virgin birth in the New Testament begins The Christ’s life cycle on earth leading to the resurrection opens the path from mechanical evolution into conscious evolution. It is not a myth. Without the virgin birth there is no resurrection and no Christianity.
Nick persists in using 'myth' as if the word is a synonym for 'fiction'. I suppose that a large majority of Christians vaguely believe that Biblical miracles are historically true. I guess that the majority of professional theologians interpret The Bible as written and edited by fallible men. Ministers of religion are employed to serve their congregations which are mostly composed of vaguely literal individuals more or less like Nick who don't know the meaning of 'metaphor' or 'myth', or believe that God can intervene in history. Indeed I guess that most believers don't understand what it would mean to intervene in history.

Ministers of religion generally don't seem to regard it as their professional remit to educate individuals in their congregations. Ministers of religion are not educationists. I suppose that ministers of religion are sort of spiritual social workers.
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Belinda wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:56 am Nick wrote:
A lot of the myths contained in the Old Testament have one purpose. The virgin birth in the New Testament begins The Christ’s life cycle on earth leading to the resurrection opens the path from mechanical evolution into conscious evolution. It is not a myth. Without the virgin birth there is no resurrection and no Christianity.
Nick persists in using 'myth' as if the word is a synonym for 'fiction'. I suppose that a large majority of Christians vaguely believe that Biblical miracles are historically true. I guess that the majority of professional theologians interpret The Bible as written and edited by fallible men.
No one ever wrote the Bible...the pen wrote it. You are the pen in God's hands.

The Inspiration of the Bible writers • God’s mind/spirit is expressed in His Word. God achieved this miracle of expressing His spirit in written words by the process of INSPIRATION. This term is based around the word “spirit”. • IN-SPIRIT-ATION • “Spirit” means “breath” or breathing, “Inspiration” means “in-breathing”. This means that the words which men wrote while under “inspiration” from God were the words of God’s spirit.


Inspiration God’s Spirit and His Word “By his spirit he has created the heavens” (Job 26:13) - the spirit of God moving upon the face of the waters to bring about the present creation (Gen. 1:2). Yet we also read that “by the word of the Lord” the world was made (Ps. 33:6), as shown by the Genesis narrative recording that “God said” things were to be created, and it happened. God’s spirit, therefore, is very much reflected in His word. Likewise our words express our inner thoughts and desires - the real ‘us’ - very accurately. Jesus wisely pointed out: “Out of the abundance of the heart (the mind) the mouth speaks” (Mt. 12:34).
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Belinda wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:56 am
Nick persists in using 'myth' as if the word is a synonym for 'fiction'.
How would you know what is fact or fiction unless you can willingly admit you don't know.


https://thelightinthedarkplace.wordpres ... den-truth/


You have never seen your original Father God the supreme Light...you only see your biological father, Satan...God's fallen angel..aka God the light veiled by shadow.

IF want to see your original Father..you have to die, ..for there is no room in here for two...so in his unconditional love for you, he died so that you could live.

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The only way out of the pain and suffering that is life..is back in through the birth canal into the second birth..the birth of eternal life of unborn spirit.

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Pain and suffering will still arise...but in your new birth, this will not touch you..you will endure and be thankful for it, for it will make you strong and suitable for life...that is all enduring...this is for your own good, only the best and the good and the one willing to endure hardship make it through to God like status.

You need good strong muscle tone to hold yourself upright and in turn hold up the whole world. Those of a weak disposition need not apply for the job.

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''No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other: or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.''

Surrendering to the will of nature and not being a slave to the mind is the ultimate supreme freedom, you've always been this freedom you have known this freedom as a child, and it lives on in you through to old age..the ageless child lives within you.
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Nick_A wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:28 am Greta
What are you talking about? You claimed that the virgin birth of Jesus was true and I disagreed, stating the obvious that it's just superstition.

Whatever a virgin birth may or may not mean figuratively is another matter.

First you need to admit without prevarication that the myth is purely metaphorical and not a historical event. Once we have clarified your ostensibly literalist commentary earlier in the thread then we can reasonably consider the metaphorical import of these myths, without the muddying effect of literalist supernatural beliefs.
A lot of the myths contained in the Old Testament have one purpose. The virgin birth in the New Testament begins The Christ’s life cycle on earth leading to the resurrection opens the path from mechanical evolution into conscious evolution. It is not a myth. Without the virgin birth there is no resurrection and no Christianity.
:lol: :lol: This is your "reasoning" for believing that Mary really did give birth to Jesus after being rogered by God in the night?? Really?????? Any thoughts on the physiological loose ends? You are simply superstitious. It is that simple.

I could just as easily claim that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real too because it signifies the change from the simple cuisine of theists to the complexities of the modern world, represented by the noodly tangles, while the great institutions are represented by the meatballs. The sauce signifies the blood of the people who lost their lives to unhinged superstitions.

Without the FSM there is no pasta and thus no meal. My logic, like yours, is airtight and undeniable :roll:
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Nick_A wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:26 am Greta
No, stop rationalising. Do you believe that Noah's Ark is a true account?
You call it a myth. What does the myth represent for you? What is the purpose of this myth?
The purpose of the myth is to demonstrate god's authority. He decided that only one human family was good, so he saved that one to procreate further (by Noah's sons and daughters having sex with one another or with their parents, Like Abel did with Adam and Eve).

Everyone else he destroyed by a massive flood.

The message and point of the myth is "Do what god says or be very afraid."
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wisdomlover wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:24 pm
The purpose of the myth is to demonstrate god's authority. He decided that only one human family was good, so he saved that one to procreate further (by Noah's sons and daughters having sex with one another or with their parents, Like Abel did with Adam and Eve).
I guess that was another story that appeared after the story of Adam and Eve...but it was not a literal happening, it was a metaphorical story only.


But in the first story of Adam and Eve...
Adam was God.....Eve was also God taken from the rib of Adam..aka God....Adam was the first man...aka God in the flesh.

Eve was tempted by the serpent, the devils advocate, the dark in the light...the knowledge in the innocence. (that had to be else the story would not make sense)

Adam aka God is the eternal unborn undying spirit energy....innocence.

But Eve aka God became aware of knowledge, she was in that instant impregnated with the knowledge of opposites, transitioning from pure innocence to knowledge, knowledge of death, knowledge of evil.

These contrasting opposites were depicted in her following offspring ..one child was born of God..good.
And the other was born of the devil..evil.

She had to give birth to opposite polarities since she had tasted the polarity herself when temptation, aka free will was infused along side her original innocence....so it was inevitable that she had to pass on that polarity...and so it continued throughout the entire history of mankind....duality was born, the world of concepts...born from nonduality aka God...the immaculate non-conceptual one...hence why the immaculate conception is known as being called the virgin birth....in other words nothing gave birth to you...and this birth is everything, and everything is the same as nothing.

This that I am talking about was all a metaphorical story of opposites having to exist in the same moment. It was all God, Adam the first man. The original Father. None of this really happened, it's not a literal happening...it's a symbolic pointing to the nothing and everything living itself infinitely for eternity.

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wisdomlover wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:24 pmThe message and point of the myth is "Do what god says or be very afraid."
God never speaks..only the mind speaks..the serpent with the forked tongue...one side is the lie and the other side is the truth...both sides appearing as two as conjoined ..are one...but you cannot know one without the other, but they are the same one...you automatically know how to be moral and you automatically know what feels right and what doesn't feel right , your mind and body will always speak for you, without you ever uttering a word... because you are of God and you are never separated from God.

A new born baby, toddler, and child all instinctively know when something is wrong...they know when they are being mistreated by an adult...they cannot defend them self of course, but they know how to respond, either by being silent or screaming it's lungs out...the baby knows because the baby is the offspring of the original Father...it's values are from the eternal one...not from the one in flesh.

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There is no such thing as incest or relationship, or reincarnation...these are all ideas of the dual mind...aka the story, the dream of separation.

There is only ONENESS..appearing as the many inseparable from the one.

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Dontaskme wrote:
How would you know what is fact or fiction unless you can willingly admit you don't know.
I have noticed that you habitually ask good questions such as the above, which tempt me to answer you, then your subsequent replies contain masses of platitudes from New Age and religion.
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Belinda wrote: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:01 am Dontaskme wrote:
How would you know what is fact or fiction unless you can willingly admit you don't know.
I have noticed that you habitually ask good questions such as the above, which tempt me to answer you, then your subsequent replies contain masses of platitudes from New Age and religion.
How can oneness ever know itself or experience itself without the conceptual story? ..it's dream of itself?



There is no separate you to know anything...although separate knowing does arise in this one without a second not-knowing YOU apparently.

You are obsessed with concepts...concepts are not what you are...YOU is always present prior to any concept, and has to be before any concept is known...always known one with that knowing.

What that knowing is..no one knows.

You don't seem to appear to grasp this. But it doesn't matter, there is no you to grasp it, although not grasping it is also nothing not grasping it.

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When there is discussion about the Virgin Birth myth...what on earth do you actually think that means Belinda...? lets hear it?

I've given my direct experience first hand witness account many times on this thread. And all you can say is these are platitudes from New Age and religion.

What the heck are you talking about?

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What the heck are you talking about?
How you dress up your good basic theory in flowery language which is often so ornate as to be impenetrable.
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Belinda wrote: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:26 pm
What the heck are you talking about?
How you dress up your good basic theory in flowery language which is often so ornate as to be impenetrable.
Well lets hear it for the flowers.

So that we can all agree and bloom in marvel at it all.

Time to smell the roses and get back to the garden.

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