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attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:29 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:26 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:18 pm

U fukin post an emoti rolling ya eyes at me (when I have attempted to point yer quest_ions in the right direction) u fukin imbecile.

No need to swear. Your committing yourself into the sewage
I can swear to you as bad as anyone, but I wouldn't do that in public mate. Wake up.

Ya, ive sussed U.

Je_sus

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:26 pm I can swear to you as bad as anyone, but I wouldn't do that in public mate. Wake up.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:32 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:27 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:49 pm

What is your logical statement on it?

You cannot have the meaning if you are seeking it.

Because I don't have the meaning now, I am seeking it, until I do.
I thought this was a valid logical statement.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:47 pm
You said "If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?"


Death is the end of the life of an organism. Why would that challenge meaning?

Then you said "How do you define death, and meaning of life?"

Death is the cessation of life.
The definition of life is more complicated.
It is the various and multiple organisations of matter found on planet earth which lead to the following characteristics:
Cellular organization: All living things are composed of one or more cells, which are the fundamental units of life. These cells contain various biomolecules and perform essential functions to sustain life. The possible exception if viruses which exploit the cellular structure of other organisms to fulfil the other criteria of living systems.

Metabolism: Living organisms carry out metabolic processes, which involve the conversion of energy, food and molecules from the environment to maintain life-sustaining activities, such as growth, reproduction, and responding to the environment.

Homeostasis: Life maintains internal stability despite changes in the external environment. Organisms regulate their internal conditions (like temperature, pH, and concentration of substances) to sustain life processes. Also balancing the needs of energy usage and storage, and the maintence of living systems through hormones, enzymes and in some cases nervous impulses.

Growth: Living organisms can grow and develop, increasing in size or complexity over time through controlled, organized processes. Although crystals can grow they do not fulfil any of the other criteria

Response to stimuli: Living organisms can perceive and respond to changes or stimuli in their environment, allowing them to adapt and survive. Sometimes called irritability. This includes awareness of things such as food, light and danger.

Reproduction: Living organisms can produce offspring or replicate themselves, passing genetic information (DNA or RNA) from one generation to another. This can be sexual or asexual. Reproduction obviates the potential cessation of the organism through death. Death opens up the way to renewal of the genetic material in new organisms and is the primary way that species evolve.

Evolution: Living organisms show the capacity for genetic variation and change over successive generations through natural selection or other mechanisms, leading to biological diversity and adaptation to the environment.

This is what "life" means.

So I have comprehensively answered your questions.

So why would the existence of death be a challenge the meaning of life?

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 1:20 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:32 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:27 pm
You cannot have the meaning if you are seeking it.

Because I don't have the meaning now, I am seeking it, until I do.
I thought this was a valid logical statement.

No, it is not coherent.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 2:46 am

Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 12:47 pm
You said "If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?"


Death is the end of the life of an organism. Why would that challenge meaning?

Then you said "How do you define death, and meaning of life?"

Death is the cessation of life.
The definition of life is more complicated.
It is the various and multiple organisations of matter found on planet earth which lead to the following characteristics:
Cellular organization: All living things are composed of one or more cells, which are the fundamental units of life. These cells contain various biomolecules and perform essential functions to sustain life. The possible exception if viruses which exploit the cellular structure of other organisms to fulfil the other criteria of living systems.

Metabolism: Living organisms carry out metabolic processes, which involve the conversion of energy, food and molecules from the environment to maintain life-sustaining activities, such as growth, reproduction, and responding to the environment.

Homeostasis: Life maintains internal stability despite changes in the external environment. Organisms regulate their internal conditions (like temperature, pH, and concentration of substances) to sustain life processes. Also balancing the needs of energy usage and storage, and the maintence of living systems through hormones, enzymes and in some cases nervous impulses.

Growth: Living organisms can grow and develop, increasing in size or complexity over time through controlled, organized processes. Although crystals can grow they do not fulfil any of the other criteria

Response to stimuli: Living organisms can perceive and respond to changes or stimuli in their environment, allowing them to adapt and survive. Sometimes called irritability. This includes awareness of things such as food, light and danger.

Reproduction: Living organisms can produce offspring or replicate themselves, passing genetic information (DNA or RNA) from one generation to another. This can be sexual or asexual. Reproduction obviates the potential cessation of the organism through death. Death opens up the way to renewal of the genetic material in new organisms and is the primary way that species evolve.

Evolution: Living organisms show the capacity for genetic variation and change over successive generations through natural selection or other mechanisms, leading to biological diversity and adaptation to the environment.

This is what "life" means.

So I have comprehensively answered your questions.

So why would the existence of death be a challenge the meaning of life?

Death will annihilate life for good taking away everything the individual used to have and achieved in life.

Death is also unknown state of a being forever.

They have no clue what will be death like apart from they will lose everything they had, and it will be forever.

Some people believe in incarnation after death, but only under strong faith of the religions.
Most modern people don't have faith. They live day by day until the old age comes along, and then they start worry about their death.
Would you still say death doesn't challenge life?

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:27 am
No. Death can do nothing. It is not an active force of nature, but a cessation of activity. It cannot annihilate. Becaue it is a termination.
It is simply the conclusion of the life-history of the individual. It completely that story.
Whatever the individual may have achieved will persist - sometimes for thousands of years as sculture and buildings. Sometimes as the passing on of their genetics, sometimes ideas and inventions; families and in the memories of friends.

Death is also unknown state of a being forever.

No. That is a contradiction. You cannot BE dead, since death is the end of BEING.

They have no clue what will be death like apart from they will lose everything they had, and it will be forever.

No again. You cannot lose what you had, if there is no you.

Some people believe in incarnation after death, but only under strong faith of the religions.
Most modern people don't have faith. They live day by day until the old age comes along, and then they start worry about their death.
Would you still say death doesn't challenge life?

Death is just a part of it. Life is constant change.
Even the universe will come to an end.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:27 am
No. Death can do nothing. It is not an active force of nature, but a cessation of activity. It cannot annihilate. Becaue it is a termination.
It is simply the conclusion of the life-history of the individual. It completely that story.
Whatever the individual may have achieved will persist - sometimes for thousands of years as sculture and buildings. Sometimes as the passing on of their genetics, sometimes ideas and inventions; families and in the memories of friends.

Death is also unknown state of a being forever.

No. That is a contradiction. You cannot BE dead, since death is the end of BEING.

They have no clue what will be death like apart from they will lose everything they had, and it will be forever.

No again. You cannot lose what you had, if there is no you.

Some people believe in incarnation after death, but only under strong faith of the religions.
Most modern people don't have faith. They live day by day until the old age comes along, and then they start worry about their death.
Would you still say death doesn't challenge life?

Death is just a part of it. Life is constant change.
Even the universe will come to an end.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:17 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:27 am
No. Death can do nothing. It is not an active force of nature, but a cessation of activity. It cannot annihilate. Becaue it is a termination.
It is simply the conclusion of the life-history of the individual. It completely that story.
Whatever the individual may have achieved will persist - sometimes for thousands of years as sculture and buildings. Sometimes as the passing on of their genetics, sometimes ideas and inventions; families and in the memories of friends.

Death is also unknown state of a being forever.

No. That is a contradiction. You cannot BE dead, since death is the end of BEING.

They have no clue what will be death like apart from they will lose everything they had, and it will be forever.

No again. You cannot lose what you had, if there is no you.

Some people believe in incarnation after death, but only under strong faith of the religions.
Most modern people don't have faith. They live day by day until the old age comes along, and then they start worry about their death.
Would you still say death doesn't challenge life?

Death is just a part of it. Life is constant change.
Even the universe will come to an end.

Your answers are based on from the perspective of Death, not from the being who is ageing, dying and dead.
Death has to be looked from the being who is facing death and dead - not from death.
Death is an event for the being who had been alive. No one, and nothing else can declare or describe what death is like, and would be like, unless it were the being itself dying or dead.

You have depicted about death from a movie or novel rather than from the reality of the being facing death, or is dead.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:56 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:17 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:27 am
No. Death can do nothing. It is not an active force of nature, but a cessation of activity. It cannot annihilate. Becaue it is a termination.
It is simply the conclusion of the life-history of the individual. It completely that story.
Whatever the individual may have achieved will persist - sometimes for thousands of years as sculture and buildings. Sometimes as the passing on of their genetics, sometimes ideas and inventions; families and in the memories of friends.

Death is also unknown state of a being forever.

No. That is a contradiction. You cannot BE dead, since death is the end of BEING.

They have no clue what will be death like apart from they will lose everything they had, and it will be forever.

No again. You cannot lose what you had, if there is no you.

Some people believe in incarnation after death, but only under strong faith of the religions.
Most modern people don't have faith. They live day by day until the old age comes along, and then they start worry about their death.
Would you still say death doesn't challenge life?

Death is just a part of it. Life is constant change.
Even the universe will come to an end.

Your answers are based on from the perspective of Death, not from the being who is ageing, dying and dead.
Death has to be looked from the being who is facing death and dead - not from death.
Death is an event for the being who had been alive. No one, and nothing else can declare or describe what death is like, and would be like, unless it were the being itself dying or dead.

You have depicted about death from a movie or novel rather than from the reality of the being facing death, or is dead.

Utter and total nonsense.
Death has no Point of view.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?

commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:31 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:06 pm
If death is for definite end of all the livings, then is there meaning in life?

One does not need to know the meaning of life to live, nor the definition of death to die.

Ah, but you would like to know. Then, my friend, by pondering these things you may be kept up at night into the unforeseeable future.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:20 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:56 pm

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 6:17 pm

Your answers are based on from the perspective of Death, not from the being who is ageing, dying and dead.
Death has to be looked from the being who is facing death and dead - not from death.
Death is an event for the being who had been alive. No one, and nothing else can declare or describe what death is like, and would be like, unless it were the being itself dying or dead.

You have depicted about death from a movie or novel rather than from the reality of the being facing death, or is dead.

Utter and total nonsense.
Death has no Point of view.

How can death happen without living beings? And bear in mind death is always a living being's death.
You cannot talk about death separate from life i.e. life of someone.
So you were talking wholelotta nonsense.

Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2023 1:06 am

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 9:20 pm

Sculptor wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 8:56 pm
Utter and total nonsense.
Death has no Point of view.

How can death happen without living beings? And bear in mind death is always a living being's death.
You cannot talk about death separate from life i.e. life of someone.
So you were talking wholelotta nonsense.

You are confused.
Read back or not. But you just have no idea what I said.

Zarathustra wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:42 pm
I don't ponder at all. I just like to hear on what other people think about these things.