bahman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:08 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:13 am
bahman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:00 pm
What you are missing is that the whole changes in the examples you provided.
What is that "whole" that is changing.
In your first example the whole is me and table.
In your second example the whole is fly and table.
Etc.
I was referring to the "whole" table specifically.
The "whole" of "table and me" would be a different sort "wholeness."
Note what is a simple basic whole table starts with;
- -1 piece of wood say 2ft x 2ft x 2inches.
- 4 pieces of 2" by 4" of 2.5 ft.
- 10 pieces of nail
It is only a table when a man use a hammer and nail the pieces together to make a whole table, e.g. as below;
The emergence of the table [
concept and physical] is dependent on the human's mind and effort to produce the table.
The subsequent perception and realization of that physical table is also an emergent.
Note, to a fly or virus, there is no 'table' at all because they do have have the mind to form the concept of a table.
Thus my point, whatever is reality to human beings is an emergent that is conditioned upon the human self.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:13 am
The molecule size virus cannot view the 'whole' table.
Therefore there is no 'whole table' that is independent by itself except as conditioned by the human self.
If 'emergence' is confined to a "whole" from the human perspective it has to be conditioned by the human self.
Thus my point;
..whatever is reality to human beings is an emergence that is conditioned upon the human self.
I think it is matter of how the human self is connected to reality. Regardless, the taste of salt is not an intrinsic property of the molecule. We know that the molecule has two nucleus and some electrons. The properties of these particles are simply charge, mass and spin. To me the properties of the molecule is simply charge, mass and spin too. Non of these properties is similar to salt's taste. So the question is where does the taste of salt come from?
Yes, taste of salt is not intrinsic of the molecules.
Note it is;
Salt molecules + human self [tongue, salt receptors, mind] = taste of salt.
The taste of salt is thus an emergent conditioned upon the human self, thus my point again,
..whatever is reality to human beings is an emergent that is conditioned upon the human self.