Re: Someone, everyone, please take this seriously.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:30 pm
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How many times does one have to explain that they neither believe nor disbelieve absolutely any thing is true, nor false, before this becomes accepted?
This Truth can be SEEN in these writings here, and thus be KNOWN as well.
This appears to be an example of 'confusion', at its best.roydop wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:16 pmIt's a one-step path
When you notice that attention is "outwardly" focused on thoughts or sensation, turn attention "inward" onto the attention itself.
But 'you', a human being, is providing this instruction and rule to 'human beings', which are, by definition, 'thinking creatures'.
'Been there, done that', as it is sometimes said.
If this is NOT an example of 'ego', itself, at its best work, then I do not know what is. 'you', "roydop", are being so far BLINDED by the 'ego', itself, (which is just 'you') that 'you' could NOT YET even SEE and RECOGNIZE what 'you' have just done here.
Honestly, how long can 'you' do it for?
Who, or what, is 'Maya'?
Are 'you' even AWARE that 'you' are CONSTANTLY 'in thought'?
But 'you' have just been claiming that 'absolute happiness and perfect contentment' is actually dependent upon "others" following what 'you' claim makes those things come to be, that is; living in 'thought free Awareness'. It is 'you', "roydop", who claims that it is only under that circumstance of so-called 'thought free Awareness' that suffering will end and peace will come about.
The 'game of life' has NEVER been a game of, nor for, competition. There is NO win NOR lose in 'the game of life'. The 'game of life' is about FUN and ENJOYMENT and making the 'game', itself, BETTER. Always has been and always will be. The 'game of life' is also played on a level playing field, where absolutely NO one is better NOR worse, nor has less or more advantage/s.
'you', 'yourself", "roydop", appear to be falling deeper into delusion, depression, and suffering. Oh, 'the masses' will NOT listen to me, they will NOT follow me, they just continually try to convince themselves that it is all nonsense", you come across as saying, and 'thinking'. 'you' have also been accused of being condescending, insulting, telling "others" to shut up, dismissing "other's" right to speak on a subject, as well as other things, which are all NOT signs of one who has been enlightened to things like 'world peace' and who are supposedly on a direct path to Self/Reality and an end to ALL suffering at all.
ALREADY DONE that tiny little practice, in 'your theory' here.
So, WHAT am 'I', and WHERE am 'I'?
When 'you' say, " 'this' is the very purpose of Life ", what does the 'this' word here refer to, EXACTLY?
This, 'writing off their idea completely', is a usual occurrence here when one is challenged over their ideas with questions posed for clarification.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:44 pmI must admit your repetitive ability to churn out the same old Bullshit...is astounding...but it don't impress me much. We get it, I liked the way you worded the ineffable. But once the penny drops there is no futher inquiry necessary, meditation is overrated.roydop wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 3:16 pm
It's a one-step path
When you notice that attention is "outwardly" focused on thoughts or sensation, turn attention "inward" onto the attention itself.
Abide in/as thought free Awareness.
This is the direct path to true Self/Reality and the conclusion of all suffering. It is the way to Nirvana/Moksha/Heaven.
Now most of the folk here are completely at the mercy of their ego (the illusory Self; thoughts) and will not even try to engage in the process. Few will try to find thought free Awareness but will find it too difficult and will quit immediately. Fewer still will take the practice up with as much vigor and determination as starting a new diet and workout routine, but Maya will work her way back in and they will fall in and out of practice, intermittently.
Perhaps 1 in 10000 will dedicate all of their energy into the practice. As often as they remember to and for as long as they are able to, they will incessantly come back to the space between thoughts. And that space will expand and so will the peace, Absolute (not dependent upon circumstances) Happiness and Perfect Contentment. These very few will come to realize Self and "win the game"/find conclusion of suffering.
The "most folk" crowd will continue to try to convince themselves that it's all nonsense, all the while falling deeper into delusion and suffering.
IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHETHER THIS THEORY IS CORRECT, YOU MUST ENGAGE IN THE PRACTICE. It took me 22 years of single-pointed devotion to the practice to realize what and where i am. And it was worth all of the effort, as this is the very purpose of Life.
There is nothing to win here, there is nothing to think you are winning at anything...We all go down on the same sinking ship, the captain included, game over, you lose...yes anyone can be comfortably numb and accept the discomforts and discontentments in life, that's not too difficult to do, and certainly doesn't require sitting in the lotus position for hours on end, just to understand that life is pretty much a shitshow, so we better just suck it up, else we end up in the nut-house.
And can you tell me why when you asked me to do you a favor - and I was happy to do so, but had no real understanding of what the favor was, and what I was supposed to do...and so replied to you thus....'' I’m not sure what you mean Roy, or what you are asking, I mean, I’m not familiar with this. Sorry, could you clarify....''
To which you then responded with this ....https://batgap.com/future-interviews/suggest-guest/
To which I responded with this.....''I've not even heard of what you are talking about Roy..I'm sorry for being a bit uncertain here....''
To which you relied ... ( Forget about it. ) ...you said this, when all you had to do was make clear for me, what I had to do.
Why did you say FORGET ABOUT IT....when all I was doing was trying to understand some favor you wanted me to do for you...it was a favor that I was very confused about...it was like you were sending me this flat-pack piece of furniture to build without instructions...as if you just took it for granted that I would know what to do....I'm like how the heck was I suposed to know what you meant...or what the heck you were talking about unless you actually explained to me properly exactly what the favor was supposed to be about...instead, you just wrote the whole idea off, as though you'd regretted asking me.
Why not just be thee True Self instead?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:58 pm The false sense of delusion:
People who have it can't tell what's real from what is imagined. Delusions are the main symptom of delusional disorder. They're unshakable beliefs in something that isn't true or based on reality.
Aways be yourself, the real fictional character.
Well said Age..well said...this needed to be said. I completely agree.Age wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 1:46 am
This, 'writing off their idea completely', is a usual occurrence here when one is challenged over their ideas with questions posed for clarification.
"roydop" is just 'trying to' promote the 'religion' that "roydop", itself, has been following and believing in for at least 22 years, which is just somewhat like when the "christian" 'tries to' promote the 'religion' it follows and believes in.
The reason they can NOT CLARIFY the ideas, they want to spread here, is because those ideas have actually come from someone else, which they just follow and believe in, WITHOUT ever questioning and testing the views, themselves.
To me, (or in my view), 'the True Self' just refers to the one and ONLY One there is. And, 'the real fictional character' just refers to 'you', 'thinking human beings'.
Again, to me, (or in my view), 'yourself' is an oxymoron and so not even a possibility. 'yourself' is just a misnomer, and/or misused term. A person can NOT be a 'you' and 'its' 'self' at the same time. That is; one can NOT be the 'owner' AND the 'thing', which is owned by that one.
ALL fictional characters can NOT created "themselves", with "themselves" again being just ANOTHER misnomer and oxymoron term, in and of itself.
No I can't stop thinking, can you?
No mate, the metaphor is useless, no two things have ever met. It's a tricky lil micky is this selfing malarky. If you'd ever met yourself you would be a self-contradiction, and there would be nothing wrong with that at all. Because it would have been your own creation.
Well said DAM!Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 10:44 amNo I can't stop thinking, can you?
I tried to stop my thinking once, but discovered I needed a thought to inform me my thinking had stopped.
Informing others that they can't stop thinking requires thought to tell the other they can't stop thinking.
So I guess, you were right, I can't stop thinking.
It is really difficult to stop thinking isn't it.... me thinks you got a bad case of the self-contradiction phenomena going on there.
And yes, you really can change your mind. Who'd have thunked it...You really can change your mind, and not be stuck in blinkered fixed stance...you really can have a different point of view and you'd be absolutey RIGHT to have both. It's a tricky lil micky is this selfing malarky.
No mate, the metaphor is useless, no two things have ever met. It's a tricky lil micky is this selfing malarky. If you'd ever met yourself you would be a self-contradiction, and there would be nothing wrong with that at all. Because it would have been your own creation.
OOooooh, Have I graduated yet?CHNOPS wrote:
Dontaskme, congratulation.
I Do.
The old myth explains how 'once upon a time' the man and woman were joined together with the Absolute where there is no dualism. But they 'ate ' the fruit of reason and lost the knowledge of absolute wholeness.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:34 amI Do.
Will you marry me. I cannot live without you, without you there is no me. You are stuck with me. No matter how much you try to get rid of me.
What God aka YOU Has Put Together Let No Man aka YOU Put Asunder
So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God aka YOU has joined together, let no one separate.
The old myth explains how 'once upon a time' the man and woman were joined together with the Absolute where there is no dualism. But they 'ate ' the fruit of reason and lost the knowledge of absolute wholeness.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 11:34 amI Do.
Will you marry me. I cannot live without you, without you there is no me. You are stuck with me. No matter how much you try to get rid of me.
What God aka YOU Has Put Together Let No Man aka YOU Put Asunder
So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Therefore what God aka YOU has joined together, let no one separate.