Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
seeds wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:37 pm
Twin one: "I know you think I'm imagining things, but not only do I still believe that there exists a "mom," but I am now starting to think that there exists a higher dimension of reality on the other side of the great barrier that surrounds us."
The barrier you speak of is the gateless gate from the unknowing into the known. The known being a simple appearance of unknowing. In reality there is no gate there/here. Nothing passes from one state to the other. Both death and living are the exact same one stateless state differing only in appearance.
Do you think it would HELP in CLARIFYING 'things', and/or making 'things' CLEARER, here, if instead of saying;
BOTH the TWO distinctly DIFFERENT 'things' of 'death' and 'living' are the EXACT SAME ONE 'stateless state', and we replaced 'this' with something like;
There is just One 'Thing', or One Universe, but WITHIN this One 'Thing', 'we', human beings, have DIVIDED UP thee One, into MANY CONCEPTUALLY, ONLY, PERCEIVED 'parts', which do NOT ACTUALLY exist, live, and die, but which is JUST the CHANGING in shape and form of the One and ONLY REAL and True 'Thing', also known as the Universe, Itself, and, 'we' HAVE TO do this BECAUSE this is HOW the brain has evolved TO DO, and which is the ONLY WAY that the human brain can and does MAKES SENSE of this One and ONLY 'Thing', which 'the brain' and 'us' have FOUND "ourselves" WITHIN?
Or, does this NOT HELP, AT ALL, NOR in part, in CLEARER UP and CLARIFYING 'things' here?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
From unknowing..aka real reality...to the known, is the artificial dream of separation, where there was an apparent severing of the baby who was inseparably attached to it's mother.
But what 'you', INDIVIDUALLY, call 'the unknowing' is ALWAYS EVOLVING INTO KNOWING, and which 'I' call and refer to as the 'UNCONSCIOUS KNOWN', or the 'NOT YET CONSCIOUS KNOWN'.
See, calling 'it' 'unknowing' implies that 'you', INDIVIDUALLY KNOW what CAN BE KNOWN and what CAN NOT BE KNOWN, forever more. Which is AN OXYMORON, Truly HYPOCRITICAL, and/or Truly SELF-CONTRADICTORY, and thus does NOT EXPRESS the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth.
The so-called 'REAL Reality' CAN BE KNOWN, and like ALL 'things' BECOMES KNOWN through and by the EVOLUTIONARY PROCESS.
'KNOWING', and 'thinking' and just TWO DIFFERENT 'things'. One is IRREFUTABLE and ACTUALLY True, while the "other" MIGHT NOT BE.
And, REMEMBER, 'things' are JUST the ONLY CONCEPTUALLY, PERCEIVED 'parts' of thee One, and ONLY, 'Thing'.
'things' are NOT 'separate' in ACTUALITY, ONLY IN 'perception' ALONE, 'conceptually'. As for their being some sort of 'baby' and/or 'mother', then this just the RESULT OF trying to MAKE SENSE, of thee One.
The 'artificial separation', which 'you' speak of here, only exists in 'thinking', or 'conceptually perceiving', and NOT IN KNOWING, which IS ALWAYS the One and ONLY IRREFUTABLE Truth.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
This severing convinces us of twoness, but this divide is illusory,
So, there is NO, ACTUAL, 'severing'.
Therefore, I suggest INSTEAD of SAYING and CLAIMING, 'This severing', which IMPLIES there is AN ACTUAL 'severing', this wording is CHANGED to some 'thing' like;
The APPEARANCE of 'severing' CONVINCES 'you', human beings, of 'things' that are NOT ACTUALLY True, like, for example, 'twoness'.
Also, there is NO ACTUAL 'divide' that could even take place, of course other than in CONCEPTUALLY MENTAL 'thought' ALONE.
So, instead of SAYING, 'this divide' is 'illusory', which could NEVER be True BECAUSE there is NO ACTUAL 'divide', from THE BEGINNING, other than, OF COURSE, 'the divide' MADE UP and BY 'thought', ALONE.
'The divide' IS, therefore, NOT illusory BECAUSE 'it' ACTUALLY EXISTS, in 'thought', ALONE, and even EXISTS/ED, in 'this way', for a VERY R/EVOLUTIONARY REASON, which IS COMING-TO-LIGHT. 'This, CONCEPTUAL, 'divide' is NOT 'illusory', BUT that there is an ACTUAL 'divide', besides in CONCEPT ONLY, IS ILLUSORY.
If this is NOT HELPING 'you' to UNDERSTAND MORE, NOR BETTER, here "dontaskme", at least this is HELPING "others" to BETTER UNDERSTAND 'your' 'points of view' MORE, "dontaskme".
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
it does not mean where there was one there is now two. In the same context..a log remains a log no matter how many times it is sliced at each end. The log remains a log no matter how big it is, or how small it gets by being sliced.
But I thought 'you', adult human beings, called 'logs', when smaller, 'timber' or 'wood', and then when smaller again, 'off cuts' or 'branches', and when even smaller 'splinters' or twigs, and smaller again .... or ...., et cetera.
This does NOT mean that the One ACTUALLY BECOMES some OTHER 'thing', but rather to just SHOW, and REVEAL, how it is through human 'thought' 'things' BECOME, and BECAME, CONCEPTUALLY what 'they' are CALLED, and LABELLED.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
'thoughts' alone have produced division, the divide is illusory, just like the log analogy....
Now 'we' have to step VERY GENTLY here, BECAUSE SAYING and CLAIMING that 'thoughts', ALONE, produce 'division', implies that there is some OTHER 'thing', called 'thoughts' here BESIDES the One and ONLY ACTUAL 'Thing'.
So, HOW are 'you', going to EXPLAIN that if it is 'thoughts', ALONE, which causes or produces 'division', then what ARE 'thoughts', EXACTLY, if NOT the One and ONLY REAL and Truth 'Thing'?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
'thoughts' are not the truth, they are EMPTY labels for this ultimate unknowing NOTHINGNESS
To 'me', 'thoughts' may well be EXPRESSING the ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth of 'things' here. But what does 'thoughts are NOT the truth' even ACTUALLY MEAN or REFER TO, EXACTLY?
For example, if 'thoughts' are NOT 'the truth', then 'what', EXACTLY, IS 'the truth'?
Also, the One Thing that IS, OBVIOUSLY, existing can NOT, by Itself, be NOTHING, nor NOTHINGNESS, as 'It' IS, OBVIOUSLY, SOME 'Thing'.
And, to IMPLY or INFER that there, ULTIMATELY IS, an 'unknowing NOTHINGNESS' would MEAN that there ACTUALLY IS an IRREFUTABLE ACTUAL Fact, which IS, ACTUALLY, KNOWN, OR, that 'this is just ANOTHER 'thought' from WITHIN the human body that is sometimes known as and called "dontaskme" here.
SO, is 'that CLAIM' just A 'thought', OR, is 'that CLAIM' A KNOWING, of sorts?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
...appearing as ''thought's that the brain processes as being something comprehensible...albeit an illusory story, like a dream.
'you', "dontaskme", speak as though ANY one "else" who SAYS or CLAIMS some 'thing', which 'you' do NOT AGREE WITH, then is just speaking of AN ILLUSORY STORY, or IMAGINED DREAM, but when 'you' SAY or CLAIMS 'things', then 'that' is of an IRREFUTABLY KNOWN Truth.
Which, the ABSURDITY and HYPOCRITICAL NATURE OF speaks for ITSELF.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
So Seeds, your story is just another fantasized made up, big fat yawn fest, just another boring, hey everyone, look what I made up, does my bs look good, are you convinced yet..... not that dissimilar to all those stories that can be read in the Holy Bible.
BUT, there IS a FAIR BIT of ACTUAL Truth in what "seeds" has been SAYING and CLAIMING here, JUST LIKE there IS 'the bible', AS WELL, EXACTLY LIKE there is IN what 'you' SAY and CLAIM here "dontaskme".
But, OBVIOUSLY, NOT ALL of what EACH of 'you' SAY and CLAIM is ABSOLUTELY and/or IRREFUTABLY True, or IF 'it' IS, then the MISCONCEPTIONS or MISINTERPRETATIONS, which are being SHARED, EXPRESSED, and/or SEEN here, ARE DISTORTING the ACTUAL Truth from BEING OBSERVED, and SEEN, from what 'It' Truly IS, EXACTLY.
Oh, and by the way, SEEING and DECIPHERING the ACTUAL Truth, from the Falsehoods in what ALL of 'you' have been SAYING and CLAIMING is A VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY 'thing' TO DO, that is; Once one LEARNS, and GAINS the KNOW-HOW.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:11 am
Yes, stories are real enough, but they are unwritten appearances of empty nothingness, likened to a dream, and this same nothingness, is what reads them all....including this.
Here, there is nothing for sale.
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Can you REALLY NOT SEE the CONTRADICTIONS and INCONSISTENCIES here "dontaskme"?