Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:54 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:39 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:10 am
To me,
The 'human' word in 'human being' refers to the physical body part, which is visible to the physical eye/s.
The 'being' word in 'human being' refers to the thinking, feeling part, which is invisible to the physical eye/s. This part also goes by and is known by the words 'person', or 'personality'.
For further defining, the word 'person' refers to the thoughts and emotions only, within the body. This is because there is NO person who is more, NOR less, than ANY other 'person'. ALL people are EQUAL in that they are ALL the EXACT SAME thing, that is; just the
thoughts and emotions within the body, but ALL people are also DIFFERENT in that they are ALL just made up of different thoughts.
In relation to some religious ideas/beliefs, the word 'soul' refers to this thinking, feeling, and invisible, part of the human being, which lasts forever. In that the whatever
thoughts (the person/soul) that were in a physical (human) body leave, or have, an ever-lasting effect on the 'rest'.
Thanks for your thoughts. And for clearing things up.
No, it was just right, thanks. I can only deal with tiny bites of information at once.
The only thing that puzzles me is the part where it is written '' the word 'soul' refers to this thinking, feeling, and invisible, part of the human being, which lasts forever. ''
How can the idea of 'forever' be known?
Through the same way ALL ideas of 'words' are known, and that is through a word evolves, or a human being just makes up a word, provides a definition for that word, and then that now known word and its now known definition is shared among "others".
Do you have ANY idea of what the word 'forever' refers to?
If yes, then HOW you obtained the idea of 'forever', then that is HOW the idea of 'forever' can be KNOWN.
But if no, then I suggest just looking in ANY dictionary, which has the word 'forever' in it, and then look up the definition provided for that word, then you can ascertain AN idea of 'forever'. And, that is another way of HOW the idea of 'forever' can be KNOWN.
Another way one HOW the idea of 'forever' can be known is by just relating it to the idea of 'NEVER ending'. And, HOW the idea of 'NEVER ending' can be known is by relating it to other things, which are are known, et cetera, et cetera.
I understand how words / concepts are known.
But did you know that that which is known knows nothing?
I KNOW that 'you' keep TELLING 'us' this, and keep INSISTING that this is undoubtedly and thus is absolutely and irrefutably true.
However, you keep MISSING, NEGLECTING, or REJECTING the FACT that your BELIEF and statement ALWAYS DEPENDS on what you are referring to, EXACTLY.
For example, I FULLY AGREE WITH and ACCEPT that 'a tree', which is known, knows nothing. But, because I ALREADY KNOW what KNOWS ALL THINGS, then 'this thing', which is known, does KNOW things.
So, there are some things, which are known, that know nothing, BUT there are some things, which are known, that know things.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:54 pm
for example, a concept knows nothing because it's not a literal thing that has a conciousness.
I ALREADY KNEW this BEFORE 'you' INFORMED 'me' of this a few years ago. And, 'I' have ALREADY INFORMED 'you' of this.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:54 pm
Did you know that even though a concept is known, the concept known is never seen?
Of course the concept is NEVER seen, by the physical eye/s. This is because of what a concept essentially and fundamentally IS, EXACTLY.
A concept like ALL thoughts can NEVER be seen, by the physical eye/s BECAUSE ALL thoughts are INVISIBLE.
I thought 'you' were ALREADY WELL AWARE of this FACT.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:54 pm
Seeing observes imageless images that's all.
TELL that to the human being who is LOOKING AT, and SEEING, with the physical eye/s, what is known as 'a tree' before them. And then EXPLAIN to that human being how they are OBSERVING an imageless image.
But first you can start by explaining your OBVIOUS oxy-moron and contradiction of "imageless image" here.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:54 pm
There is nothing behind the screen of seeing, seeing itself.
This is what you BELIEVE, SAY, and CLAIM. However, I KNOW DIFFERENTLY, which, by the way, does NOT DIFFER that much from what you are saying and alluding to, but 'it' is just FAR MORE ACCURATE, as 'it' fits in PERFECTLY with the WHOLE and BIG Picture of ALL things.
By the way, if there is 'seeing', then there MUST BE some 'thing' that is doing the 'seeing', correct? Even if 'it' was just One Eye, correct?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:54 pm
In the same sense, there is nothing behind the screen of a computer that can be known as a brain or mind.
If this is what you BELIEVE, then so be it. But to some there is some 'thing', which is allowing, or causing/creating, the screen of a computer to be SHOWN, and thus to also be SEEN.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:54 pm
Consciousness can never experience itself as an object...aka a concept known.
But It/I ALREADY HAVE.
Even 'you' just expressed that KNOWN CONCEPT here. You did this when 'you' used the word, also known as 'concept known', and said: 'Consciousness'.
See, what 'you' are ACTUALLY DOING throughout this forum is DOING what you say CAN NOT BE DONE. That is; you are using ACTUAL words to describe and thus express the VERY 'things', which you say can NOT be described NOR expressed in and with words.