Are there .5% or 35 million Active Killers at Present?

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Re: Are there .5% or 35 million Active Killers at Present?

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FlashDangerpants wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:17 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:21 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:25 am
So you now admit that the number you assign is meaningless and merely reflects to your SUBJECTIVE opinion.
Nope, I do not admit to the above.
You deliberately ignore the general principles of the above.
Just as the relative numbers of earthquakes, storms, and many others ratings, the numbers I proposed are not meaningless.

The exercise of giving a rating [out of 1 to 10 or out of 100] to some event to assess its reality is very common.
When the rating is given by only one person that would be very subjective, but when the ratings are average out [ignoring the extremes] from a large majority it has objectivity, i.e. intersubjectivity.

I believe the majority of people will readily recognize the difference in degree of evilness for genocide at 95/100 as compared to 1/100 for pissing into a baptismal bowl. Even if they come up with their own ratings different from the above, the contrasting relative difference will still be very obvious.

If you have done research or a thesis paper you would be familiar with measurement scales, e.g.

7 Types of Data Measurement Scales in Research
https://www.formpl.us/blog/measurement-scale-type#:

where the qualitative [subjective(s)] are converted to the quantitative [objective].

The above outcomes of objectivity [with awareness of its limitations] can be very meaningful and can facilitate progressive actions for humanity.
The numbers given to storms are based on windspeed measurements. The numbers given to earthquakes represent a measurement of actual physical wobbliness.

Your numbers aren't even a measure of your opinion about a thing, instead of the thing. They're more artificial even than that.

You are trying to obscure the essential subjectivity of everything you are doing by dressing it up to look a bit like some more objective thing.
Your point is too thin and shallow.

The numbers I have given are correlated with the numbers killed based on past events & empirical observations, experiences and potentially be killed/tortured/harmed in the future.
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Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:19 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:37 am
Sculptor wrote: Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:13 am
It's pointless talking to you when you respond like that.
I was teaching science when you were in short trousers.
You keep insulting your intelligence as usual by making noises because you are ignorant.
Please refer to the comments I made above
Yo! you were teaching science when Newtonian Science was THE Science, i.e. yours is archaic.
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Re: Are there .5% or 35 million Active Killers at Present?

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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:29 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:17 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:21 am
Nope, I do not admit to the above.
You deliberately ignore the general principles of the above.
Just as the relative numbers of earthquakes, storms, and many others ratings, the numbers I proposed are not meaningless.

The exercise of giving a rating [out of 1 to 10 or out of 100] to some event to assess its reality is very common.
When the rating is given by only one person that would be very subjective, but when the ratings are average out [ignoring the extremes] from a large majority it has objectivity, i.e. intersubjectivity.

I believe the majority of people will readily recognize the difference in degree of evilness for genocide at 95/100 as compared to 1/100 for pissing into a baptismal bowl. Even if they come up with their own ratings different from the above, the contrasting relative difference will still be very obvious.

If you have done research or a thesis paper you would be familiar with measurement scales, e.g.

7 Types of Data Measurement Scales in Research
https://www.formpl.us/blog/measurement-scale-type#:

where the qualitative [subjective(s)] are converted to the quantitative [objective].

The above outcomes of objectivity [with awareness of its limitations] can be very meaningful and can facilitate progressive actions for humanity.
The numbers given to storms are based on windspeed measurements. The numbers given to earthquakes represent a measurement of actual physical wobbliness.

Your numbers aren't even a measure of your opinion about a thing, instead of the thing. They're more artificial even than that.

You are trying to obscure the essential subjectivity of everything you are doing by dressing it up to look a bit like some more objective thing.
Your point is too thin and shallow.

The numbers I have given are correlated with the numbers killed based on past events & empirical observations, experiences and potentially be killed/tortured/harmed in the future.
Oh good, that should sort this cofusion out very quickly. Just show us the formula that gave you the factual numbers that you weren't making up via your personal opinion then.

Your whole thing only measures deaths then? No deaths no bad? Stealing is ok for morality-proper, and so is rape huh?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:21 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:29 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:17 am
The numbers given to storms are based on windspeed measurements. The numbers given to earthquakes represent a measurement of actual physical wobbliness.

Your numbers aren't even a measure of your opinion about a thing, instead of the thing. They're more artificial even than that.

You are trying to obscure the essential subjectivity of everything you are doing by dressing it up to look a bit like some more objective thing.
Your point is too thin and shallow.

The numbers I have given are correlated with the numbers killed based on past events & empirical observations, experiences and potentially be killed/tortured/harmed in the future.
Oh good, that should sort this cofusion out very quickly. Just show us the formula that gave you the factual numbers that you weren't making up via your personal opinion then.

Your whole thing only measures deaths then? No deaths no bad? Stealing is ok for morality-proper, and so is rape huh?
Did you read the part I mentioned, i.e.

"killed/tortured/harmed "
the bolded terms which do not necessary involved death.
It is only for simplicity that I mentioned the above.

There are various other criteria related to what is within the continuum of evil, e.g. sufferings, pains, human rights, basic human dignity, well-being and other necessary factors in combination within the definition of what is 'evil_ness'.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:35 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:21 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:29 am
Your point is too thin and shallow.

The numbers I have given are correlated with the numbers killed based on past events & empirical observations, experiences and potentially be killed/tortured/harmed in the future.
Oh good, that should sort this cofusion out very quickly. Just show us the formula that gave you the factual numbers that you weren't making up via your personal opinion then.

Your whole thing only measures deaths then? No deaths no bad? Stealing is ok for morality-proper, and so is rape huh?
Did you read the part I mentioned, i.e.

"killed/tortured/harmed "
the bolded terms which do not necessary involved death.
It is only for simplicity that I mentioned the above.

There are various other criteria related to what is within the continuum of evil, e.g. sufferings, pains, human rights, basic human dignity, well-being and other necessary factors in combination within the definition of what is 'evil_ness'.
Cool. So you can give us your numerical formula for harm, in which case the harm caused by pissing in the baptismal font can be measured.

Or else you are using made up numbers.


You are making the numbers up after all.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:45 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:35 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:21 am

Oh good, that should sort this cofusion out very quickly. Just show us the formula that gave you the factual numbers that you weren't making up via your personal opinion then.

Your whole thing only measures deaths then? No deaths no bad? Stealing is ok for morality-proper, and so is rape huh?
Did you read the part I mentioned, i.e.

"killed/tortured/harmed "
the bolded terms which do not necessary involved death.
It is only for simplicity that I mentioned the above.

There are various other criteria related to what is within the continuum of evil, e.g. sufferings, pains, human rights, basic human dignity, well-being and other necessary factors in combination within the definition of what is 'evil_ness'.
Cool. So you can give us your numerical formula for harm, in which case the harm caused by pissing in the baptismal font can be measured.

Or else you are using made up numbers.

You are making the numbers up after all.
In the first place, I did not agree 'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is a moral element re evil_ness.
I define morality as,
-morality promotes good and avoiding evil,
-what is good is not-evil.
'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is not an evil act within the above definition of morality.

I stated because you insisted, I will just rate it [made up but make sense] at 1/100 [I should have rated in 0.001/100], i.e. it is so insignificant that no normal person will bother with it re the case of morality as defined.
It is only an issue of perversion within a social, criminal, psychological, psychiatric, and the likes problem.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:12 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:45 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:35 am
Did you read the part I mentioned, i.e.

"killed/tortured/harmed "
the bolded terms which do not necessary involved death.
It is only for simplicity that I mentioned the above.

There are various other criteria related to what is within the continuum of evil, e.g. sufferings, pains, human rights, basic human dignity, well-being and other necessary factors in combination within the definition of what is 'evil_ness'.
Cool. So you can give us your numerical formula for harm, in which case the harm caused by pissing in the baptismal font can be measured.

Or else you are using made up numbers.

You are making the numbers up after all.
In the first place, I did not agree 'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is a moral element re evil_ness.
I define morality as,
-morality promotes good and avoiding evil,
-what is good is not-evil.
'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is not an evil act within the above definition of morality.

I stated because you insisted, I will just rate it at 1/100 [I should have rated in 0.001/100], i.e. it is so insignificant that no normal person will bother with it re the case of morality as defined.
It is only an issue of perversion within a social, criminal, psychological, psychiatric, and the likes problem.
That's a number you assign via opinion, what number do you get via actual measurement? Show us the working for your maths.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:14 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:12 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:45 am
Cool. So you can give us your numerical formula for harm, in which case the harm caused by pissing in the baptismal font can be measured.

Or else you are using made up numbers.

You are making the numbers up after all.
In the first place, I did not agree 'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is a moral element re evil_ness.
I define morality as,
-morality promotes good and avoiding evil,
-what is good is not-evil.
'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is not an evil act within the above definition of morality.

I stated because you insisted, I will just rate it at 1/100 [I should have rated in 0.001/100], i.e. it is so insignificant that no normal person will bother with it re the case of morality as defined.
It is only an issue of perversion within a social, criminal, psychological, psychiatric, and the likes problem.
That's a number you assign via opinion, what number do you get via actual measurement? Show us the working for your maths.
The number I assigned is not a verified and justified fact per se like a scientific fact.

How many out of the current 7.9 billion people had been caught pissing into a baptismal bowl?
It is my very strong personal belief with personal objectivity based on my extensive research and readings, the number of such perverts are very very low, perhaps at most hundred or so.

If you compare the number of such perverts [100, 1000 or even 10,000] to 7.9 billion people, or number of people who had committed various evil acts or potential numbers, the % would be very insignificant perhaps at 0.001%, thus my 1/100 would have provided loads of room for error if necessary.

The above is the approach to estimate the %s as with other types of evil.

But note, I do not regard 'pissing in a baptismal bowl' as an act of evil.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:14 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:12 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:45 am
Cool. So you can give us your numerical formula for harm, in which case the harm caused by pissing in the baptismal font can be measured.

Or else you are using made up numbers.

You are making the numbers up after all.
In the first place, I did not agree 'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is a moral element re evil_ness.
I define morality as,
-morality promotes good and avoiding evil,
-what is good is not-evil.
'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is not an evil act within the above definition of morality.

I stated because you insisted, I will just rate it at 1/100 [I should have rated in 0.001/100], i.e. it is so insignificant that no normal person will bother with it re the case of morality as defined.
It is only an issue of perversion within a social, criminal, psychological, psychiatric, and the likes problem.
That's a number you assign via opinion, what number do you get via actual measurement? Show us the working for your maths.
Gee, I'm surprised he's not really answering your question.

Not.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 8:31 am
Sculptor wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:19 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:37 am
You keep insulting your intelligence as usual by making noises because you are ignorant.
Please refer to the comments I made above
Yo! you were teaching science when Newtonian Science was THE Science, i.e. yours is archaic.
Gosh are you trying to make a joke!! I nearly laughed, not.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:14 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:12 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:45 am
Cool. So you can give us your numerical formula for harm, in which case the harm caused by pissing in the baptismal font can be measured.

Or else you are using made up numbers.

You are making the numbers up after all.
In the first place, I did not agree 'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is a moral element re evil_ness.
I define morality as,
-morality promotes good and avoiding evil,
-what is good is not-evil.
'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is not an evil act within the above definition of morality.

I stated because you insisted, I will just rate it at 1/100 [I should have rated in 0.001/100], i.e. it is so insignificant that no normal person will bother with it re the case of morality as defined.
It is only an issue of perversion within a social, criminal, psychological, psychiatric, and the likes problem.
That's a number you assign via opinion, what number do you get via actual measurement? Show us the working for your maths.
Nice one.
Slam dunk I think.
:lol:
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:30 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:14 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:12 am
In the first place, I did not agree 'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is a moral element re evil_ness.
I define morality as,
-morality promotes good and avoiding evil,
-what is good is not-evil.
'pissing into the baptismal bowl' is not an evil act within the above definition of morality.

I stated because you insisted, I will just rate it at 1/100 [I should have rated in 0.001/100], i.e. it is so insignificant that no normal person will bother with it re the case of morality as defined.
It is only an issue of perversion within a social, criminal, psychological, psychiatric, and the likes problem.
That's a number you assign via opinion, what number do you get via actual measurement? Show us the working for your maths.
The number I assigned is not a verified and justified fact per se like a scientific fact.

How many out of the current 7.9 billion people had been caught pissing into a baptismal bowl?
It is my very strong personal belief with personal objectivity based on my extensive research and readings, the number of such perverts are very very low, perhaps at most hundred or so.

If you compare the number of such perverts [100, 1000 or even 10,000] to 7.9 billion people, or number of people who had committed various evil acts or potential numbers, the % would be very insignificant perhaps at 0.001%, thus my 1/100 would have provided loads of room for error if necessary.

The above is the approach to estimate the %s as with other types of evil.

But note, I do not regard 'pissing in a baptismal bowl' as an act of evil.
Lol, "personal objectivity"
Shall we call that objectivity-proper?
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:14 am That's a number you assign via opinion, what number do you get via actual measurement? Show us the working for your maths.
What number do you actually get when you measure the boiling point of water?

"100 degrees!", said Anders Celsius without showing us the working for his maths.
"373 degrees!", said William Thomson without showing us the working for his maths.
"212 degrees!", said Daniel Fahrenheit without showing us the working for his maths.

And the cargo-cult army of retards rejoiced!
Sculptor wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:56 am Nice one.
Slam dunk I think.
:lol:
Idiot Philosophers do not seem to understand what measurement actually is.
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FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:10 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:30 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:14 am
That's a number you assign via opinion, what number do you get via actual measurement? Show us the working for your maths.
The number I assigned is not a verified and justified fact per se like a scientific fact.

How many out of the current 7.9 billion people had been caught pissing into a baptismal bowl?
It is my very strong personal belief with personal objectivity based on my extensive research and readings, the number of such perverts are very very low, perhaps at most hundred or so.

If you compare the number of such perverts [100, 1000 or even 10,000] to 7.9 billion people, or number of people who had committed various evil acts or potential numbers, the % would be very insignificant perhaps at 0.001%, thus my 1/100 would have provided loads of room for error if necessary.

The above is the approach to estimate the %s as with other types of evil.

But note, I do not regard 'pissing in a baptismal bowl' as an act of evil.
Lol, "personal objectivity"
Shall we call that objectivity-proper?
Note Skepdick's response, i.e. 'idiot' is most appropriate in this case.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:12 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:10 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:30 am
The number I assigned is not a verified and justified fact per se like a scientific fact.

How many out of the current 7.9 billion people had been caught pissing into a baptismal bowl?
It is my very strong personal belief with personal objectivity based on my extensive research and readings, the number of such perverts are very very low, perhaps at most hundred or so.

If you compare the number of such perverts [100, 1000 or even 10,000] to 7.9 billion people, or number of people who had committed various evil acts or potential numbers, the % would be very insignificant perhaps at 0.001%, thus my 1/100 would have provided loads of room for error if necessary.

The above is the approach to estimate the %s as with other types of evil.

But note, I do not regard 'pissing in a baptismal bowl' as an act of evil.
Lol, "personal objectivity"
Shall we call that objectivity-proper?
Note Skepdick's response, i.e. 'idiot' is most appropriate in this case.
Hiding behind Skepdick again? Do you really want to do that?

Do you think that the relationship between the temperature of a substance and the reading on a thermometer is subjective just because the numbers that are on the outside of the thermometer could have been other numbers?

Explain something equivalent to how temperature moves the mercury in a thermometer to justify how you pick a number of badnesses for kicking a horse in the balls. Give us the mechanism that causes the number to be true mister Personal Objecivity.
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