Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 am
Age wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:42 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:55 am
It is only intellectual retard would insist on the above.
Therefore, 'I' am, to you, an INTELLECTUAL RETARD.
I REALLY do NOT care.
I will, however, also POINT OUT that IF you think or believe that this is HOW to argue against the words written in front of you on a philosophy forum, then so be it. Just keep carrying on the way you ARE. It suits my objective absolutely.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:55 amHave you any sense of normal intellectual protocols and standards?
Are they the same, so called, "normal intellectual protocols and standards", which 'you', human beings, have been using for thousands upon thousands of years, which, by the way, have also NOT yet been able to provide ANSWERS to any of the same OLD questions that you have kept being asked over and over again?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:55 amHow can you make any judgement on any literal materials if you have not read and understand [not necessary agree with] the points therein.
Who said I have NOT read "literal" materials?
Also, to use the word "understand" in relation to so called "literal" materials IS the POINT I HAVE BEEN MAKING HERE.
What 'you', as an individual, UNDERSTAND is WHOLLY relative.
AND, what else I have been POINTING OUT is that it IS 'you', "veritas aequitas", who keeps INSISTING that you KNOW what the ONE and ONLY 'ideology' IS and so you BELIEVE you 'UNDERSTAND' it FULLY.
I have to insist you are an intellectual retard.
Then I REALLY MUST BE an INTELLECTUAL RETARD then, to you.
So is that all you NEED to PROVE that what I say MUST BE WRONG?
Is your judgement call of me, then VERIFY for you the Truth of things.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 amWhen you insist you are not a human being as others,
LOL. WHEN have I EVER insisted what you say here?
Remember I write things in certain ways, for particular purposes. One of those reasons being to HIGHLIGHT how much 'you', adult human beings, ASSUME things BEFORE you even KNOW what the actual Truth IS. One other reason is to HIGHLIGHT just how often 'you', adult human beings, are WRONG when you make those ASSUMPTIONS. Plus there are other reasons.
If the Truth be KNOWN you have absolutely NO idea what I actually write and say, let alone what I actually mean, let alone jumping to the conclusion that you say I am "insisting" some thing.
You are so far off track and so blinded that this is hysterical to watch.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 amthen there is something wrong with you and it is a non-starter to have any normal intellectual discussion. It is only the mental cases who would claim 'you humans' and imply '
Age is not a human being'.
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Once again 'you', "veritas aequitas", are ASSUMING the absurd, which is so OBVIOUSLY WRONG and so you are BELIEVING things that are so OBVIOUSLY WRONG also.
You could NOT be further from the actual Truth of things now, even if you tried to be.
'you', human beings, are so EASY to manipulate and get you to do the very things that I want you to do.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 amIn my argument, it is not "me" as an individual who understand, but my understanding is based on what is Allah's original message in the Quran and fully understood by at least 20% of Muslims, i.e. 360 million.
LOL
For a person who insists that God/Allah is an IMPOSSIBILITY to be real BUT THEN claims that they UNDERSTAND and thus KNOW the "original message" of Allah, Itself, speaks volumes about mental health.
Once again, the EASE at which some things can be manipulated and shaped into EXACTLY what I WANT is incredible.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 amFor example,
- 9:23. O ye [Muslims] who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends [WLY; awliyāa] if they take pleasure in disbelief [l-kuf'ra; as infidels] rather than faith [AMN; l-īmāni]. Whoso of you [Muslims] taketh them [infidels] for friends [WLY: awliyāa], such [Muslims] are wrong doers [ZLM: l-ẓālimūna] [sinful].
YES, this is ALL about PEACE and HOW to create a Truly peaceful world for EVERY one, which is in line with the bible AND what God says.
This quote here is just a more up to date and a roughly 500 year old newer and more modern version than the "original messages" in the bible.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 am3:118. O ye [Muslims] who believe! Take not for intimates [friends biṭānatan بِطَانَةً ب ط ن ] others [infidels] than your own folk, who [these infidels] would spare no pains to ruin you [Muslims]; they [infidels] love to hamper [ʿanittum عَنِتُّمْ ع ن ت ] you [Muslims]. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their [infidels] mouths, but that which their [infidels] breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you [Muslims] the revelations if ye will understand.[/list]
Notice the first one is about 'disbelief' and the second one is about 'belief' and 'I' have been saying from the outset of coming here, into this forum, about BELIEF and DISBELIEF?
Also, notice what I have said about having only ONE 'belief', which NOT one of 'you', human beings, have picked me up on yet. I have made the most CONTRADICTORY statements, a few times now already, yet non of 'you' even question me nor challenge me about it. you seem to be to BLINDED by your own BELIEFS that you even fail to NOTICE the purposely made glaringly OBVIOUS contradictions and thus Truth of things.
Anyway and just like it says in your second example. What IS plain is the revelations, which you True followers of PEACE, WILL UNDERSTAND. Unfortunately though, when this is written, NOT one of 'you', adult human beings, is a True follower of PEACE, and this is WHY none of you UNDERSTAND, and thus WHY none of you have had things reveal, to you.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 amWhat is so difficult for me to understand the above in the context of the whole Quran's 6236 verses.
What is critical is millions of Muslims' [scholars, experts, lay-Muslims] have the same understanding as mine.
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How many "muslims" actually behave in terrorist and violent ways? Remembering EVERY "soldier" on ALL "sides" of ANY "war" whilst in, or ordering, combat is behaving in terrorist AND violent ways.
IF ONLY "millions" of "muslims" have the SAME understanding as you, then how many of those ones actually follow YOUR understanding of the quran. That is; do terrifying and violent acts?
Now, do the so called "scholar" and "expert" "muslims" also do these terrifying and violent acts, or is it only "others" who do these things?
Also, there are said to be over 1500 million "muslims" so WHY do a HUGE majority of them lead relatively peaceful lives and 'try to' follow peace rather than lead and follow YOUR interpretation AND understanding of the quran?
If they are Truly "muslims" then they should be and would ALL be commiting these violent and terrifying acts, which you purport Allah is instructing them to do.
So again, WHY do BILLIONS of "muslims" live in relative peace, and it is ONLY a relatively EXTREMELY TINY fraction of a percentage of "muslims" who follow and SHARE your understanding of the quran?
Also, if ONLY that tiny small fraction follow what you say is the TRUE ideology, then what does that make the other over one and half BILLION "others"? Are they or are they NOT "muslims?
Your Honest answer to ALL of my clarifying questions would be much appreciated.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:57 amTherefore your point,
- Age: AND, what else I have been POINTING OUT is that it IS 'you', "veritas aequitas", who keeps INSISTING that you KNOW what the ONE and ONLY 'ideology' IS and so you BELIEVE you 'UNDERSTAND' it FULLY.
is a retarded view!
If this is a "retarded view" of mine, then that means you either do NOT understand FULLY the ideology of islam, or you DO FULLY understand the ideology of islam, so which one is it?
If you do NOT understand FULLY the ideology of islam, then my view here could be regarded as a "retarded view". However, If you do FULLY understand the ideology of islam, then my view here would be true, right, AND correct, and therefore WHY do you propose my view to be a "retarded view"?
Some readers would be most interested in what you Honest answers will be.