Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:51 am
uwot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:11 am
Simply put; while human science might prove some theories wrong, human ingenuity will always be able to come up with alternative theories which explain exactly the same phenomena equally well. The other thing is whether a theory will predict all future observations; you can't know that until you have observed all future observations. So even if we do get to The Truth, we won't know it.
That's pretty close to how I think of it as well. Truth is the most undiscoverable thing there is therefore to progress we need not consider it overtly and only declare something true if it fits the data.
I suggest only declaring something true 'that' what is actually true.
See, 'you', human beings, have a tendency to interpret the 'data', to fit in what you sometimes already believe is true.
And, 'you' make 'your' beliefs based on what you have previously observed, and/or experienced, and we all, in this forum, know that what 'you', human beings observe and/or experience and believe is not necessarily true at all. For example, observing a flat earth, a universal centric earth, and an expanding universe.
Just because 'you', human beings, "see" and "experience" these things, this certainly does NOT mean that they are true at all.
What can be clearly shown, and proven, is that when 'you', human beings, have believed any of these three things, or just about any thing else for that matter, then 'you' will "find" "data", as well as "see" "that", which supposedly "fits" the "data".
Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:51 am
It's the paradigms we create, the reality myths, which move us forward. The Ptolemaic system was as successful for as long as it was because it yielded the results as expected and true to the extent it managed to do that. Truth is as impossible to know as is the mind of god there being no separation between the two...whoever or whatever god is.
Well if there is NO separation, then 'god' is
the mind. Or, 'God' is
the Mind. Depending on which way you want to look at this.
By the way Truth is, actually, as simple and as easy 'to know' as is 'God', and thee 'Mind.
To express that they are impossible to know is to express as though you know the Truth.